Thinking beyond The Defattening Project

So when I get to the end of this cut cycle, what am I going to do?

Note that this can change as life progresses, so none of this is in stone, just a reflection of my current thinking.

My original desire was once I was done to start right back rebuilding strength. While I’m enjoying Paul Carter’s programming and really want to explore it more, I have thought about dropping back to 5/3/1 because I know it really works, or even diving into Cube Method. But the more I think about it, this isn’t the right way to go just yet.

I’m pretty tired and drained from all this dieting, and I need to let my body readjust and rebuild itself. As well, I suspect that when I’m done with this cut cycle I won’t be exactly where I want to be bodyfat-wise. I’m close, but I suspect I may need a little more work. I just need a damn break, to eat more, to let my body regain something, and have a little more cycling instead of more months of restriction and loss. And so, training has to be geared towards that. I don’t want to start down the road only to have to stop short.

So I’m pretty sure I’m going to just do some mass building.

Nick @ Renaissance Periodization and I spoke about it, and the current thinking is to do something like 2 months of massing then a month of mid or maybe even a mini-cut. Exact details TBD, but essentially 2-3 months of growing, then we’ll assess. Who knows. I might do 2-3 months of growing then be happy to do 6 months of cutting to really get myself shredded. Dunno yet, just have to see how things are when we get there. But you can see, whatever the lay is, chances are it’s not totally conducive to my next big goal of bench/squat/dead 315/405/495. BUT, building some muscle? Yeah, that will help towards that end, no question. So… mass it is.

Besides, I look in the mirror and tho I look tons better, I also feel so damn small. I wouldn’t mind getting bigger again, but this time a good bigger. 😉

I started looking at Paul’s programming for mass building. Again, I want to continue using Paul’s methodologies because I really want to explore them more. And since it’ll be really trying his stuff, I think it’s good to start with as close to a written program from him as I can, before I start to go it on my own, y’know?

Big-15 and other mass programs from him look great, but just don’t look like they’ll fit my general schedule. So as I look through it all, one existing template is from the Base Building book. It’s a 4x/week program: chest/shoulders, legs, day off, back, arms, day off, repeat. Now thing is, I interpret that as 4x/week, but really it’s just 4x. So it’s probably more like Monday chest, Tuesday legs, Thursday back, Friday arms, Sunday chest, Monday legs, etc… But whatever works best for you. There’s general adherance to his protocols and away you go.

A few months ago I saw an article from Paul on t-nation for “Guaranteed Muscle Mass”. I filed it away, and recently came back to it. Of course it’s based in the core philosophies of his approach, but I took a closer look at the specific program.

The program is basic movements: bench, incline, squat, rows, chins, dips, press, curls, etc.. It’s split simply into an upper body day and a lower body day, but 2 variations of each day. You can click through the article to read the specifics. But some things stood out to me about it:

  • volume, but not too much
  • day #1 is like a heavy day
  • and day #2 is like a light day
  • and where have I seen similar loads before…?

Maybe it’s the fact I’m reading Arnold’s “The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding” (never read it before) and I start think about frequency. Heavy and light days are nothing new. And while the #2 days aren’t “light” they sorta are. For example, upper day 1 is bench, incline, heavy bb row, pulldowns. But then upper day 2 is press, then dips, db rows, chins… and everything but the pressing is 350-method, all about the reps. Lower day 1 is pretty heavy stuff, lower day 2 is more about reps. Hrm.

One other thing that struck me was that in some ways this was very similar to 5/3/1. In 5/3/1, and let’s look at the most basic templates of Boring But Big and The Triumvirate, well… basically you’re working upper body one day and lower body another, but then there’s really 2 variations of each day: bench/press, squat/deadlift. Very similar. As well, if you look at the workload presented in those 2 templates and then look at Paul’s template, man… things are really similar.

But one difference is Paul does lay things out to be 3x week, and Wendler is ideally 4x week but you can certainly do it 3x week.

So… it got me wondering.

What if I did Paul’s t-nation article but all within 1 week (Mon/Tue, Thu/Fri). How would that work for me?

I’ve usually done approaches that put me on a weekly basis, but this would be every 4-ish days instead of every 7. Would this work for me? I think it’s worth a try, instead of the more traditional approach.

I’m thinking I’d like to try it and see. I don’t see these sessions being amazingly draining… it’s not digging too deep a hole that’ll be hard to recover out of, but there’s more frequency. Exactly where is my recovery and supercompensation curve, y’know? Do I get more out of doing a lot and taking more time in between? Or might I get more out of doing a little less but taking less time in between.

So… I’m kinda leaning towards Paul’s t-nation approach with the main mod being 4x week instead of 3. Try it for 6 weeks on the massing diet, then assess. I might continue it, or I might switch to something like the Strong-15 short cycle just to do a little assessment of strength. But we’ll take it as it comes.

2015-04-24 training log

Today felt better… but also not for the best of reasons.

The diet’s been trying the past few weeks. Not mentally, but physically. It would manifest itself now and again with a dizzy spell — this is not uncommon for me to have happen when something is depleted. So on Tuesday I had lunch with my accoutant and well… I couldn’t tell you what was in that Chinese food, but it was certainly not diet strict. I didn’t worry about it too much because I sure felt better. I’ve also found myself being a little more lax this week. As a result, my weight has been at about 214 all week — actually about a pound up since the last weigh-in. Not really what I want to see. But the flip side is that I’m feeling tons better. I did buy some pecans from the most-excellent Berdon Pecan Farm store on the drive home from KRT yesterday, and that should be better at satisfying cravings than getting something “carby”.

But it’s also paid off in terms of gym performance. Today was pretty good, and actually a bit of progression. Hooray carbs, right? 🙂

One change I made was with upright rows. The gym has these pre-fab barbells and I’ve used them until today. Since I’m about to tap them out on the max available weight, time to just move to a regular bar with plates. That felt a little different for two reasons. First, being MUCH longer it balances and handles differently. Second, being that it is longer I can play with hand spacing a lot more here and did so. I ended up taking a wider grip than usual, and will play around because I have found in the past that grip width and thus range of motion and thus affects on my shoulder. But then, my shoulder is feeling so much better these days, so who knows. Anyways, it handled a bit differently so I have to get used to it, but overall I liked it.

Oh, the bench dips. Today I finally felt like I was getting tired from them. 🙂 But this is good. 4×15 and my shoulders feel pretty happy and like they’re getting precisely what I want out of them. My daily whatevers that use my arms feel good. I just do NOT feel the shoulder pains, stiff/tight, etc. that I’ve been feeling. I don’t say it’s bench dips per se but rather the position and range relative to what my shoulders needed, and yeah… it’s been a big help. I’ll probably start adding some weight next week, like a 25 lb. plate in my lap and let the reps drop back down. I don’t want to get too low here, this isn’t about some max-effort exercise… it must maintain that rehab approach.

Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

  • Behind-the-Neck Press
    • bar x 5
    • 65 x 15
    • 75 x 15
    • 85 x 12
    • 95 x 8
    • 95 x 7
  • Arnold Press
    • 35e x 12
    • 35e x 12
    • 35e x 10
  • Upright Rows
    • 95 x 10
    • 95 x 10
    • 95 x 8
  • Lateral Raises (350 method)
    • WT x REP
  • Bench Dips
    • BW x REP
  • 2015-04-23 training log

    I had to cut things short because I had an early appointment to make.

    but even in that, again I think I’m losing it because I could feel “loss” in my reps. Ah well.

    So deadlifts. Overall went well. Instead of just doing the movement now, I’m feeling more in the groove and thinking more about form, refining that. So that’s a good sign. I opted to AMRAP it on the last set, which I liked. I think I’ll keep that as it gives me some measure of progress (or regress).

    Everything else tho, I cut “in half” so I could get out the door. And I did other “time-saving” things like I was taking no more than 60 seconds between sets AND between exercises; hammer curls I usually alternate but did simultaneously, etc..

    Oh on the shrugs. While the 275 seemed more proper for the low reps, boy… I sure didn’t WANT to deadlift that again into position. 😉 What I might consider doing is shrugs as I exit deadlifts, so on that last deadlift rep, shrug a bit, then strip and shrug the rest of the way. But I dunno… I may be too pooped. The 8 I did on the AMRAP set, yes I had a couple left in the tank, yes I left it when I started to feel like form was breaking… so to then tryt o hold it and shrug? dunno. we’ll see.

    One thing that’s been interesting is my evolving thoughts on my post-Defattening-Project program. I’m refining it some. I’ll write more later. 🙂

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

  • Deadlift
    • 135 x 5
    • 185 x 4
    • 225 x 3
    • 275 x 2
    • 315 x 1
    • 320 x 1
    • 330 x 1
    • 275 x 3
    • 275 x 3
    • 275 x 8 (AMRAP)
  • Chins
    • BW x 5
    • BW x 5
    • BW x 4
  • Cable Rows
    • 125 x 12
    • 125 x 8
  • Shrugs
    • 275 x 5
  • Hammer Curls
    • 25e x 15
    • 25e x 9
  • 2015-04-21 training log

    So… same sort of thing today as yesterday.

    Work up feels fine. Hit the AMRAP set, and just can’t “go”. Then the rest of the session has me hitting higher weights, higher reps… go figure.

    I do think this is diet-induced, and just how it goes for now. It sucks… but it should be over in a matter of weeks. I know, I have perspective, but the immediate stuff still sucks. 🙂

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

    • Bench Press
      • bar x 5
      • bar x 5
      • 95 x 5
      • 120 x 4
      • 145 x 3
      • 180 x 2
      • 205 x 1
      • 185 x 10 AMRAP
      • 185 x 5 50%-AMRAP
    • Dips
      • BW x 10
      • BW x 10
      • BW x 7
      • BW x 6
      • BW x 5
    • DB Incline Press
      • 45e x 12
      • 45e x 12
      • 45e x 8
    • Push-ups
      • BW x 12
      • BW x 12
      • BW x 9

    2015-04-20 training log

    Well, today kinda sucked.

    Squats feel good. Go for the AMRAP set and just peed out at 6. Why? I’m not entirely sure. It felt like I just had no gas. I didn’t feel muscular exhaustion, just no more go. But then look at the rest of the session and I’m hitting more reps for everything else. Did I have go, but I needed more warm-up? Was it simply because I hadn’t pushed the squats to more musclar fatigue? I don’t know. I can say the weekend was pretty trying on me diet-wise… very hungry, a couple serious dizzy spells on Sunday — just such a restriction on carbs. I reckon yeah, no gas. I’ll speak more to the diet shortly.

    But so, I just tried to crank on everything as best I could. I did feel “worked” by the end of things…especially the lunges really had me huffing and puffing. Again, I just chalk it all up to the diet plan. It’s trying, but still, results are coming… yesterday’s official weigh-in at 213. Been pretty steady at 2 lb/week since I started back on the cut at the top of the month.

    So to that end, I spoke with Nick about “what next”. I expect this will be my last cut, because by then it’ll have been almost a year of cutting and I’m exhausted physically, mentally, and emotionally from all of this. I need a good break. I hope that by the end of this cut I will be where I want to be, or very close to it. Regardless, I’m taking a break. So with all that in mind, Nick’s plan is to take a small post-cut break (I’ll probably take a week of semi-regulated eating and allow myself some freedom finally), then I’ll go 2 months on a good massing diet, then 1 month on a mid. After that, and hopefully about a 10 lb gain, we’ll decide what to do… that I might do a 1 month mini-cut, or might try for a longer cut session. It just depends where everything is.

    So on that I started to think that if that is the goal, instead of starting right back on the “get stronger” routine, I will probably follow a mass-building template for 2 months. In fact, it’ll probably be what I’m doing now but with a little more work and maybe adjusted weights. I will work hard for rep PR’s and all those things. Then during that 1 month mid, I think I might actually try a Strong-15 short cycle and see where it takes me.

    Current plan. Doesn’t need to be firmed up until I get to that point in the road, but it’s my current thinking.

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

    • Squats
      • bar x 5
      • bar x 5
      • 115 x 5
      • 145 x 4
      • 175 x 3
      • 225 x 2
      • 250 x 1
      • 215 x 6 (WTF??)
      • 215 x 3 (sigh)
    • Front Squat
      • 105 x 8
      • 105 x 8
      • 105 x 8
    • Leg Press (350-Method)
      • 185 x 24
      • 185 x 20
      • 185 x 16
    • Lunge
      • 30 x 12
      • 30 x 12
      • 30 x 12

    2015-04-17 training log

    Continuing to refine things.

    I tried pyramiding the behind-the-neck press, and that seems more right. It’s a bigger movement, give it a little weight. I dig that and will keep trying it.

    Otherwise, just a nice day. I kinda feel like my triceps aren’t getting enough work overall, but I’m not going to sweat it too much right now. I think as I up the bench dips that will change things.

    On that note, the bench dips felt better. My shoulder is getting happier and overall feeling better since I started doing them. And today I was able to just crank right into things instead of having to have the first set or two be a slower, easing myself into things. I take that as a good sign. Thus I did a couple more reps per set. It’s still not enough to really wear me out, but again this is more about the stretch and range of motion for the sake of my shoulder (rehab more than anything). Still, if things continue to improve like this, I’ll keep adding reps until I get to around 20 or so per set. Come that point, I’ll probably do something like put a 25# plate in my lap and start over.

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

  • Behind-the-Neck Press
    • bar x 10
    • 65 x 15
    • 75 x 15
    • 85 x 12
    • 95 x 8
    • 95 x 6
  • Arnold Press
    • 35e x 12
    • 35e x 12
    • 35e x 9
  • Upright Rows
    • 90 x 12
    • 90 x 12
    • 90 x 9
  • Lateral Raises (350 method)
    • 15e x 20
    • 15e x 17
    • 15e x 12, then some partials
  • Bench Dips
    • BW x 12
    • BW x 12
    • BW x 12
    • BW x 12
  • 2015-04-16 training log

    Minor changes, not bad.

    First, it does feel good to deadlift again. My knee comes and goes, but overall things are good and nowhere near as much an issue as it used to be. Of course now that I said that, watch me blow it out. 😉 I am thinking tho about upping something. The weights generally feel light and move well, the top 330 set only just starts to feel heavy. But that said, I don’t think I’ll try upping the weights yet — I’m going to add an AMRAP set. So I’ll do the 2 back-off sets and instead of a 3rd BO set make that an AMRAP set. I’ll try that next week and see how it goes.

    Chins continue to suck, but only because each round tries to be stricter than the last. I’m working to ensure as full a range of motion as my shoulder will allow, so I don’t get to a full dead-hang, but as close as I can, which then does keep tension the whole time. Keeping my legs out (pike), minimizing body english, and boy, shit’s tougher. But that’s all good.

    On the rows, I’m liking the pyramiding as that feels like I’m actually getting more back engagement and work. I’m thinking about adding a 5th set, but not sure. Still refining it.

    Speaking of refinement, I like adding the 2 sets of shrugs. Again, this is borrowed from something I saw often in Paul Carter’s templates: 2 sets of shrugs, 1 heavy for really low reps and 1 light to rep out. I had no idea how much weight here so I just put 225 on the bar but managed to get a lot more than I thought, so I’ll up that next week. Then strip to 135 and that was a little more than 20 but still not too bad. So, I’ll refine the weights some, but I liked this and will probably keep it. It gives me that little extra bit of work, but doesn’t add too much time.

    On the curls, I’m supposed to do it 350-method but for whatever reason changed my mind. I pyramided up, then drop-set running the rack all the way down to the 8’s. Crank all I can, put DB down, couple breaths, pick up the next lower one, rep out, put down, couple breaths, next lower, rep, etc.. I’d only get maybe 5 reps (until I got to the really light DBs), but whatever. I just did it, and it felt nice to do.

    So all in all, a nice day.

    Oh, and weighed in at 214, which surprised me. I mean, overall it’s constant steady progress, but I was surprised because all week I’ve been up at 216, which actually is a slight increase from Sunday. I guess lack of sleep and stress wasn’t being good to me, but I’m working to get both back in line.

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

  • Deadlift
    • 135 x 5
    • 185 x 4
    • 225 x 3
    • 275 x 2
    • 315 x 1
    • 320 x 1
    • 330 x 1
    • 275 x 3
    • 275 x 3
    • 275 x 3
  • Chins
    • BW x 5
    • BW x 5
    • BW x 3
    • BW x 3
    • BW x 2
  • Cable Rows
    • 120 x 15
    • 125 x 12
    • 130 x 8
    • 110 x 10
  • BB Shrugs
    • 225 x 10
    • 135 x 25
  • Hammer Curls
    • 25e x 15
    • 30e x 11
    • 35e x 6
    • then ran down the rank, repping out each DBk
  • 2015-04-14 training log

    As I suspected, reps aren’t really going anywhere… stands to reason. But I guess so long as there’s not a serious loss, so be it.

    Only real thing worth commenting on was the change at the end. I dropped the push-ups in favor of flies. I’m not totally settled on what to do here.

    See, I’m starting to find a flow in structuring the session. Start out with a “big” exercise: bench, squat, deadlift, press. Work that “big” exercise in a work-up, lower reps, striving for strength stuff here… but it could vary a bit depending upon the particulars, e.g. that I might rep out or just do back-offs.

    After the “big”, the second exercise will be something fairly close with a similar aim, still heavy-ish but up to that 6-10 rep range in the 3-5 sets area. So right now complementary to bench is dips, because for me right now that’s perfect but when the day comes I’m doing 5×25 dips well… I could do weighted dips, or this is when I might do inclines or some such. Squats complements with front squats or pause squats. Things like that, where it’s very close to the main movement, 3-5×6-10 sort of thing.

    After that starts to be something more supportive, 3-4×8-12 type of thing. So bench gets DB inclines, squat gets leg presses, etc..

    And then I end with something certainly more “isolation” and certainly higher reps for more pump, like the lunges or flies or curls or whatever. This is where techniques like 100-reps or 350-Method or drop sets or whatever can start to come into play.

    So it’s a bit of a ramp, starting with heavier weights and lower reps, transitioning to lighter weights and higher reps.

    When I started laying out this program, that was the rough idea; I wasn’t perfect on it, but it was a general thought. Then as I’ve been going through the weeks here, I’m seeing how things are working (or not working) and how changes affect things. And this just seems to be where things are transitioning to.

    In particular here then, I think the incline DB will stay but no 350-method: just 3×8-12, but then whatever I do at the end be it pushups or flies or whatever, that gets a 350-method treatment.

    Anyways, tinkering…. making a change, seeing how it goes.

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

    • Bench Press
      • bar x 5
      • bar x 5
      • 95 x 5
      • 120 x 4
      • 145 x 3
      • 180 x 2
      • 205 x 1
      • 185 x 13 (AMRAP)
      • 185 x 5 (AMRAP-50%)
    • Dips
      • BW x 10
      • BW x 8
      • BW x 6
      • BW x 6
      • BW x 5
    • DB Incline Press (350-Method)
      • 40e x 18
      • 40e x 14
      • 40e x 12
    • Machine Flies
      • 70 x 20
      • 70 x 13
      • 70 x 13

    2015-04-13 training log

    I’m digging this groove. I do hope this is better serving my current goals. I reckon it may… it works me harder than other squat/leg days I’ve had in ages.

    Squats were fine. Really working on form, cues, tightness.

    Front squats I continue to hate, but it’s because I obviously suck at them. Working hard at keeping upright, and one thing that helps is to keep my head neutral and use that cue of not driving my head back into the bar, but kinda like “sucking” my chin back in, if you will. That’s helping me work to keep upright…. which of course, makes it harder. 🙂

    Leg press continues to surprise me because I held out against a high narrow stance for so long, because it limited range of motion. Well sure it does that, but it sure works my quads like I haven’t felt before. Still working my way up with things, but digging it.

    And lunges. Actually what got me more out of them today was using weight. Sure it wasn’t much, but like all things start light and work up. I used those pre-weighted barbells since that’s the only way to get 20. Thing is, they force a rather narrow grip so to help alleviate some elbow pain I tried that “eagle claw” grip where you wrap your first 3 fingers around the bar but the pinky goes under. I know that’s not the best way to get a strong grip on the bar (pinky is very important to a strong grip), but no question it helped with my elbows. Interesting for sure.

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

    • Squats
      • bar x 5
      • bar x 5
      • 115 x 5
      • 145 x 4
      • 175 x 3
      • 225 x 2
      • 250 x 1
      • 215 x 9 (AMRAP)
      • 215 x 5 (50%)
    • Front Squat
      • 105 x 8
      • 105 x 7
      • 105 x 6
    • Leg Press (350-Method)
      • 185 x 20
      • 185 x 18
      • 185 x 15
    • Lunge
      • 20 x 12
      • 20 x 12
      • 20 x 12

    2015-04-10 training log

    That felt more like it.

    Last week I didn’t feel like the plan I set out was good enough. I just didn’t feel I got enough of… anything: enough shoulder work, enough triceps work. So I made some adjustments for today.

    I lowered the weight on the BNP to try to get more reps.

    I added 3×8-12 of Arnold Press.

    Those two things there felt like the level of work I wanted.

    On the upright rows, I dropped to just 3×8-12, as I then added in lateral raises 350-method. And all of that, felt right.

    On the bench dips, I started out rather slow — everything was tight due to some things with Tuesday’s bench day (something got really tight in my left upper trap after dips). So I started out going really slow, working down into position, letting it stretch, and preferring to do less so I didn’t hurt anything. Last 2 sets tho I felt better for, so I just cranked through them. Still didn’t rep out, which is ultimately what I’d like to do with this movement, but until my shoulder feels right with it (which is part of the point of doing it), just taking it easy.

    Inspired by Paul Carter’s methodologies

  • Behind-the-Neck Press
    • bar x 10
    • 65 x 12
    • 85 x 12
    • 85 x 12
    • 85 x 9
    • 85 x 7
  • Arnold Press
    • 30e x 12
    • 30e x 12
    • 30e x 12
  • Upright Rows
    • 90 x 12
    • 90 x 12
    • 90 x 9
  • Lateral Raises (350 method)
    • 15e x 20
    • 15e x 15
    • 15e x 11
  • Bench Dips
    • BW x 8
    • BW x 6
    • BW x 10
    • BW x 10