Pick your gun, and move on

Continuing the discussion on “pick your gear, and move on“.

Reading this post by DocGKR, he quotes “a very experienced senior SOF NCO” who “wrote the following superb analysis discussing pistol calibers”:

Not getting into the weapons transition issues from frame design to frame design (it’s the reason I love to hate the Glock), the fact of the matter is that the recoil on the G23 crosses the magic line of running the shit out of your pistol. Allow me to explain… Most of the guys mentioned that they can handle the reduced size of the 19 and the recoil increase over the G17 is acceptable. Most of us have also determined that this does NOT cross over to the .40 cartridge. Guys with a firm handle on recoil manipulation can use the G22 and G35 with acceptable results. However when you go down to G26’s and G23’s, the juice is not worth the squeeze. The recoil is now noticeably effecting times and it’s measurable. If you can’t effectively control recoil and are wasting time allowing your pistol to settle between shots then this is all a wash and means nothing to you, but if you can apply the fundamentals effectively you will quickly see that you can’t run a sub compact 9 or a compact .40 worth a shit. So a decision to accept a larger pistol in order to have an acceptable recoil impulse based upon caliber must be made. The smallest 9mm Glock recoil that I will accept is the G19 and I will not go below the G22 when bumping up to .40.

For reference, ordered by caliber, then from largest size frame to smallest.

  • G17 – 9mm, Standard size frame
  • G19 – 9mm, Compact frame
  • G26 – 9mm, Subcompact frame
  • G35 – .40 S&W, Competition frame
  • G22 – .40 S&W, Standard size frame
  • G23 – .40 S&W, Compact frame
  • G27 – .40 S&W, Subcompact frame (not referenced in the above quote, and likely because if the G23 is unacceptable, the G27 is right out).

So what does this all mean?

Equipment matters (but only so much).

You need to be able to run the gun and run it well. While the old-school and Internet commando mantra demands you use only calibers that begin at least with a “4”, the reality is that using such calibers is difficult because, as above NCO stated, you can’t run it worth a shit. More correctly tho, when you have more recoil, it’s harder to run the gun. More recoil happens because of caliber (e.g. .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 Sig, .357 Magnum), but it also happens when there’s less gun (less mass, less area to grip) to help mitigate that recoil. That could be because of simple weight (e.g. an “airweight” revolver vs. an all-steel revolver), or because of size which naturally reduces available mass and grip area (e.g. G17 vs G26, G35 vs. G23).

So you have to ensure you have a gun that runs — for you. This is where things like “gun fit” matter. Here’s a good guide on the topic (and more).

But then amongst all those guns that run, there are other things that contribute to you being able to run the gun well. And I’ll put it pretty simply:

Pick the largest gun that fits you and your circumstances, in the biggest caliber you can acceptably run.

Let me break this down.

Larger guns aid in recoil management, both because they will have more mass, and also with more size comes more surface area to enable a better grip on the gun. They can also offer things like a longer sight radius, lighter recoil springs (makes it easier to rack the slide). Bottom line: you can shoot a larger gun better and more easily than smaller guns. This doesn’t mean to buy a monster gun that you cannot handle, it still has to be what properly fits you and fits your circumstances. But within those that fit, strive for the largest you can because you’ll shoot it better.

You want the largest caliber you can acceptably run. I’ve seen folks that cannot handle 9mm recoil but do OK with .380 Auto. While .380 Auto is marginal in performance, it’s better than nothing and if that’s what you can shoot best, then that’s a settled matter. I’ve also encountered some that can’t shoot more than a .22 LR; while that’s also not ideal, it’s still better than nothing so there you go. And note, while you might be a big strong guy with forearms like Popeye and can run .40 decently well, chances are still good you will run 9mm better due to simple physics.

So yes, for the majority of folks, getting a Glock 17 or Glock 19, or a Smith & Wesson M&P 9 (service model size) is good enough. They are proven reliable platforms, that provide acceptable performance. If those guns do not fit you, you may have to do some more shopping, but the end result is the same:

Pick your gun, and move on.

2014-09-26 training log

Remember that talk about needing sleep? My body is getting there. Been napping the past few days, and this morning I slept in HARD. So I got to the gym late.

A good reminder why I like working out alone. 🙂

Nothing bad… it’s just like Gossamer from the Looney Tunes short “Hair-Raising Hare”:

🙂

Everything was what it was. I have been thinking about a deload week, but I may not. Things work-wise are shifting and I actually should be able to get some good sleep. So, I’ll just see how I feel and go from there.

The rotator cuff work will slowly ramp up… but all in all, I think it will be good for me.

Oh, and to the kid that came into the gym before I left that proceeded to put 135# on the bar and half-squat it, then put 185# and third-squatted it… dude, I’m no authority, but I do know that you’ll get more out of life if you do what works and stop feeding your ego by half-assing things.

Based upon Paul Carter’s Basebuilding

  • BB Rows
    • 150 x 8
    • 150 x 8
    • 150 x 8
    • 150 x 8
  • Wide, Neutral-grip Lat Pulldowns
    • 130 x 8
    • 130 x 8
    • 130 x 8
    • 130 x 8
  • Barbell Shrugs
    • 165 x 20
    • 165 x 20
    • 165 x 20
    • 165 x 15
    • 165 x 15
  • Rotator Cuff work — cable based, internal & external rotation, internal & external upright rotation. Couple sets each, very light weight, for 10-20 reps… didn’t really keep too much track
  • Pick your ammo, and move on

    Continuing the discussion on “pick your gear, and move on“.

    I was having a discussion with a fellow KR Training assistant instructor about the differences between different brands of ammo, I came across this posting from DocGKR (a well-respected authority on such matters, real name is Dr. Gary Roberts). There’s more stuff from DocGKR here, and if you just search the Internet for anything DocGKR writes on ammo, you can rest assured you’re getting the best information on ammunition selection.

    See, there’s all sorts of gimmicky ammo that comes out from time to time, claiming to be mostest more betterer than ammos that came before – it’s t3h d3adl3y! It all looks good on the slo-mo video against those evil watermelons. But name me one law enforcement agency willing to bet their lives on it… and oddly there are no takers. Not to say law enforcement agencies are any sort of gold standard, but these are people who put their lives on the line every day and whose job description necessitates the need to sometimes use a gun to stop bad people from doing bad things. Thus, these are people who need proven tools and will not accept anything less; they are a fair reference point for “what works” and is worth entrusting your life to.

    It’s pretty simple: there are well-known, well-established brands of ammo that perform well and do the job as needed to be done. Yes, from time to time this list gets revised because technology! (e.g. Hydra-Shoks are old tech, HST is a superior replacement) But on the whole, there’s established stuff so just pick one from the list, make sure it runs in your gun (e.g. run 200 rounds through your gun and ensure you get 200 successful shots; yes that’s expensive, but isn’t your life worth it?), and then put this issue to bed because there’s really no need for debate, discussion or deep research into the matter.

    Yes, there are some differences. For example, the discussion I was having was regarding the differences between Federal Tactical Bonded and Federal HST (which isn’t bonded). It was a minutia discussion, and there can be some relevance to such a discussion. But on the whole for most private citizens, DocGKR lists:

    Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)

    So according to DocGKR, either are fine. Pick one, move on.

    Incidentally, shortly after I penned this article, Duncan Larsen over at LooseRounds.com reposted an article from the FBI Training Division regarding ammunition selection, mostly as it pertains to caliber. I’ve seen this article in other forms before, but Duncan’s posting of it was timely. For the tl;dr crowd, here’s the conclusion:

    While some law enforcement agencies have transitioned to larger calibers from the 9mm Luger in recent years, they do so at the expense of reduced magazine capacity, more felt recoil, and given adequate projectile selection, no discernible increase in terminal performance.

    Other law enforcement organizations seem to be making the move back to 9mm Luger taking advantage of the new technologies which are being applied to 9mm Luger projectiles. These organizations are providing their armed personnel the best chance of surviving a deadly force encounter since they can expect faster and more accurate shot strings, higher magazine capacities (similar sized weapons) and all of the terminal performance which can be expected from any law enforcement caliber projectile.

    Given the above realities and the fact that numerous ammunition manufacturers now make 9mm Luger service ammunition with outstanding premium line law enforcement projectiles, the move to 9mm Luger can now be viewed as a decided advantage for our armed law enforcement personnel.”

    For those curious, I carry Speer Gold Dot 9mm 124 grain +P in all my 9mm semi-autos. In my snub-nose revolver I carry Speer Gold Dot .38 Special 135 grain +P. Why? They’re proven to perform reliably and be optimal for the platform, so ’nuff said.

    Pick your ammo, and move on.

    2014-09-24 training log

    Today was… good and bad.

    Generally speaking it was good. Everything went as you’d expect. I opted to drop deficit’s in favor of conventional deadlifts. I was going to do that next week anyways as long as I was switching up my bench press to model 2, but I just went ahead and did it today. But on the whole, things went as expected.

    What was bad was feeling beat up. I do think part of it is still lack of rest. Since the Overkill concert last week I just haven’t slept as good as I need to, and it’s taking a toll. Before I consider other things, I do want to deal with that first and see what comes of the rest of it. But regardless, there is one thing that is of growing concern.

    My knee.

    I am feeling more and more beat up on my left leg, be it my knee or the ankle, or now even my hip felt a couple pops today. When I went down for the first rep on the 225 something felt odd enough that I racked the weight because I wasn’t sure I’d be actually able to do the next rep. A bit scary, but I did a couple bodyweight squats, felt ok, and went back to it. But regardless of all that, I am starting to think my knee is not some problem that will heal in time — I think I do have something wrong with it. But I fear it’s only going to be thousands of dollars for an MRI that will tell me there’s nothing else to do but either rehab it or get surgery — and if I’m going to get surgery I might as well wait until the knee blows out. sigh If I gotta go under the knife, incur the expense, the downtime, etc., might as well wait until I truly can’t live without it. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Because of this, the squat work sets focused heavily on form. I didn’t care about bar speed, I just wanted everything to be perfect. I find that yes in fact I am leaning some to my right, favoring my right leg to do more work. So whereas normally I put the blinds down so I don’t see my reflection in the windows, I’m keeping the blinds up so I precisely watch my form as I squat to ensure I’m staying level and evenly distributed. I am also finding my eye and head position matters a lot in terms of helping me keep “distributed” — haven’t nailed down precisely the spot because it kinda changes as I stand up, but I’ll nail it down eventually.

    It made me think of a few changes I might consider making.

    First, I thought about changing deadlifts to sumo-style. I’ve always done conventional and supposedly my body mechanics are better suited for conventional. But, I tried a very poor sumo stance today — didn’t actually pull, just got into such a stance and “air lifted”. It didn’t seem to affect my knee so much. So… not sure I will do it, but I probably will start reading a lot of articles on sumo technique, then if I do start, start with like 135 on the bar and just try to figure out the technique. We’ll see.

    Second, I also thought about changing my lifting to be more bodybuilder style. Lower the intensity, up the volume, and see if that puts a little less wear and tear on me. Some day it does, others say it may not because now you use the joints more often. I’m thinking about it. I think it may also be due to the diet — I’m still lifting pretty intensely, and with the weight-loss diet it just may not be supporting it.

    Anyways, that’s that. Every day is something new.

    Based upon Paul Carter’s Basebuilding

    • Squats (model 1)
      • bar x 5
      • bar x 5
      • 150 x 5
      • 175 x 4
      • 205 x 3
      • 225 x 2
      • 260 x 1
      • 180 x 5
      • 180 x 5
      • 180 x 5
      • 180 x 5
      • 180 x 5
    • Conventional Deadlift (model 1)
      • 315 x 3
      • 315 x 3
      • 315 x 3
      • 315 x 3
      • 315 x 3
    • Leg Press
      • 165 x 20
      • 165 x 20

    Pick your gear, and move on

    We love our gear and our “toys”. Case in point: the mania surrounding the iPhone 6 release and the people camping out for weeks to get the first one.

    Why not? It’s fun, it’s tangible, you can experience it, you can share it, you can show it, you can talk (debate/argue) about it. There’s a lot of human satisfaction that comes from gear.

    And so like with gear in any realm, so much discussion in the firearms world revolves around equipment.

    I always liked Insights Training Center‘s “inverted pyramid” of priorities:

    1. Mindset
    2. Tactics
    3. Skill
    4. Equipment

    You need equipment, it is foundational. But it is also the least important. Find the equipment that works for you, then move on. Don’t be afraid to occasionally reassess your gear because technology improves and something better may come along, or maybe later on you discover gear that works better. For example, I was fine with my Springfield XD for a number of years, but the main reason I switched to the S&W M&P was discovering minor differences in the construction of the frame worked better for the physiology of my hands . But on the whole, get it settled and move on.

     

    2014-09-22 training log

    Yeah… I’m going to try switching up to model 2 for bench press.

    I do feel like I’m treading water. Will model 2 help? Never know until I try it. It may well be because of the diet that I will in fact tread water, and I may just have to accept that (better than regressing). Nevertheless, if there is something I can do to have some sort of forward progress — even if slow — I will take it. So switching to Base Building model 2 (just for bench press) seems reasonable to try.

    Based upon Paul Carter’s Basebuilding

    • Bench Press (model 1)
      • bar x 5
      • bar x 5
      • 115 x 5
      • 130 x 4
      • 155 x 3
      • 170 x 2
      • 190 x 1
      • 170 x 8
      • 170 x 8
      • 170 x 8
      • 170 x 8
      • 170 x 6
    • Machine Flies
      • 90 x 10
      • 90 x 10
      • 90 x 10
      • 90 x 10
    • Close-grip bench press
      • 95 x 10
      • 95 x 10
      • 95 x 10
      • 95 x 10
    • Hammer Curls
      • 30e x 10
      • 30e x 10
      • 30e x 10
      • 30e x 8

    Sunday Metal – My Favorite Testament

    Back in my teenage years, I loved the “Practice What You Preach” album, but as I got more familiar with Testment’s discography I find that it’s a good album but really not that great. Maybe it’s the production? Alex’s getting more progressive in his playing, I don’t know. “Practice” is still a great tune, but I guess I think they have stronger albums.

    Their most recent, “Dark Roots of Earth” I think is a strong offering, with the first half of the album being so solid.

    But if there’s any Testament album that gets more plays in my iTunes library, it’s “The Gathering”. And while there’s killer tracks like “D.N.R.”, “Eyes of Wrath”, “Riding the Snake”… the one track I have to crank to 11 every single time I listen to it is “Three Days in Darkness”

     

    Facepalm

    One of the men lifted his shirt to display a handgun tucked into the waist of his pants, [Lt. James] Espinoza said. Moments later, five or six other men began beating up the 37-year-old coach. One of the men used a set of brass knuckles, Espinoza said.

    (full story)

    What would a reasonable person conclude?

    A group of 6 or so men come up to you, with obvious ill intent (I’m sure they didn’t have smiles and rainbows on their faces, given the backstory). One flashes a gun at you. Then they start beating on you.

    I would think any reasonable person would conclude the coach was in grave danger, that his life was at stake. If you wouldn’t reach this same conclusion, please tell me why.

    Seeing the attack, the coach’s wife pulled out a gun and fired a warning shot into the air, Burris said.

    The coach broke free of his attackers and went to his car for a second gun, which he pointed at various people in the crowd, Espinoza said.

    I believe the wife’s response to be reasonable. I don’t think it was tactically sound nor safe (insert discussion of why it’s bad to shoot into the air, why warning shots are a bad idea, why it’s good to receive education in not just marksmanship but also threat management and legal implications of use of force, etc.), but generally speaking her response was reasonable. As well, I believe the coach’s response was reasonable as well. Again, I don’t think it was tactically sound (insert discussion of why it’s important to have gun on person and not stored far away, although in his case he may have had to do it for “youth coaching” reasons). Nevertheless, in the eyes of the law, the response by the man and woman are considered reasonable.

    The coach who was involved in the clash and pulled out a gun after being attacked has been relieved of his coaching duties, [Jeremy Burris, director of the Tigers football program] said. His wife was also dismissed from involvement with the team.

    “He’s been a great role model” for kids, Burris said of the coach, who has been with the Tigers for a few years and worked in the league for at least 15 years. “He’s really helped.”

    Despite that background, Burris said, “you can’t take weapons out around children.”

    Facepalm. Major facepalm.

    Why can’t you take weapons out around children? Please, Mr. Burris, explain your statement.

    “Nothing like this has ever happened in this organization,” said Burris, who said he has been affiliated with the Tigers for 20 years. “We pride ourselves on zero tolerance for anything that goes on.”

    Ah, the beloved – and brain-dead – “zero tolerance” policy.

    Was either the coach or his wife pointing their guns at the children? Were they threatening the children? Were they endangering the children?

    Or have you considered that the coach was getting the living tar beat out of him? Have you considered what would have happened to this man if he and his wife did not take out a weapon around children? Maybe that “great role model” would be in the hospital, or dead. What good would that have done the world, to lose someone that’s contributed to the betterment of our youth for 15 years? Please explain how such a good man becoming crippled or dead would be a better thing.

    Have you considered the message your action sends to those very youth?

    That defending yourself is a good way to lose your job. Your choice is to lose your job or lose your life.

    That hiding behind blind policy is an unthinking and cowardly thing to do. There is no consideration of the man’s years of service and demonstrated commitment. No, because this man was committed to continue living so he could continue to serve your community’s youth for another 15 years, that commitment deserves punishment.

    If he’s “really helped”, why don’t you try to help him as a small return for all his years of service.

    Is this what our society is coming to?

    2014-09-19 training log

    Today felt good. Just solid good.

    I did switch up to do some rotator cuff work. Never done that before so today was a bit of stabbing to figure out what protocol to use. Certainly was interesting. I do think this will be good for me, or at least I’m going to give it 1-2 months to see how it goes. I couldn’t do that much weight on the external rotations — this is not a max-effort exercise, and I’m trying to be very strict with them, only using shoulder rotation to make things go. I may have to try an alternative like doing it with a dumbbell seated or lying. I also need to add in a couple sets of upright rotation. Point is, I want to hit all the shoulder rotations: internal, external, upright, etc. and try to help strengthen up my shoulder area, rotators, etc.. Should be good for me.

    Based upon Paul Carter’s Basebuilding

  • BB Rows
    • 145 x 8
    • 145 x 8
    • 145 x 8
    • 145 x 8
  • Wide, Neutral-grip Lat Pulldowns
    • 130 x 8
    • 130 x 8
    • 130 x 8
    • 130 x 8
  • Barbell Shrugs
    • 155 x 20
    • 155 x 20
    • 155 x 20
    • 155 x 20
    • 155 x 20
  • Cable Shoulder Internal Rotation
    • 20 x 20 (each arm)
    • 20 x 20
  • Cable Shoulder External Rotation
    • 10 x 20 (each arm)
    • 10 x 10
  • Concert – Overkill (and Evil United… sorta) – Backstage Live, San Antonio, TX, September 17, 2014

    Last night (September 17, 2014) I went to see Overkill play at Backstage Live in San Antonio, Texas.

    It was a strange night in many ways.

    It started well before the show. When the tour was announced, I see the Prong was going to be the main support act. Cool! But… not on the San Antonio date (and a couple others). Not sure why. But what was even stranger was then that Prong was booked at the same venue on the prior night! So these two bands are touring together, but then for a couple dates they break apart and still play the same city but just on different nights. Uh… why? That was strange. I was always a casual Prong fan, so trucking to San Antonio just to see them wasn’t in the cards for me, but it would have been cool to see both on the bill.

    So who was on the bill? Honestly I don’t recall who the other two opening bands were — some local San Antonio bands. But then there was Evil United, which is Jason McMaster‘s new band. I was stoked to see them, and considered it a reasonable trade-off for no Prong.

    Then…. the night arrived.

    I was going with my buddy W. Alas, his flight into Austin ran very late so by the time we got to San Antonio the 2nd band was finishing up. They sounded good, but I can’t comment much.

    The crowd was a very thrash metal crowd. I mean, so many denim vests with backpatches and buttons. It was like the 80’s thrash scene  was still thriving in this little pocket of San Antonio. Not a single white t-shirt for miles. 🙂 This is a very different sort of crowd that you’d get if the same show was held in Austin.

    The venue was ok. Never been there before. Parking was easy (lot right across the street, $10 geez). Didn’t like how there were pillars/posts everywhere and bar rails, which was nice for drinks but kinda makes it hard or precarious to move about. I also thought it was odd they served beer in glass bottles — yes, at one point the mosh pit stopped because a bottle broke and people were getting on the floor during Overkill’s set to pick up broken glass! Yeah, it’s a mosh pit, yeah it’s rough and “violent”, but no one wants to get hurt — it’s supposed to be a fun time! Still, some might call this strange.

    Evil United hits the stage… for 3 songs. Song ends… McMaster has a little stage banter then… “OK, we’re done”. And they start breaking down their gear. Wha?? Spoke with some guy who said there’s been some drama for a few days… they were playing, then announced they weren’t playing, then suddenly they were at the gig. Guy said there was some b.s.’ing by the venue (who I’m told tends to not treat the artists well — I don’t know, just what the dude said to me), something about trying to force them to pay-to-play now. I don’t know. I saw Jason was standing by his merch table, so I went over to talk with him. What Jason said to me was they gave them 20 minutes to play and 4 of them were wasted because the monitors weren’t working. I find it really odd that they’d only get 20 minutes to play. Plus, the way Jason talked to me, I am pretty sure there’s a LOT more to the story. But it’s not my drama and Jason handled things like a pro. I was bummed to not hear a full set, but what I did hear I enjoyed. Still, what a strange set.

    In between the sets, I went to the bathroom. I went to go wash my hands and as I went for a sink a guy pointed me to another sink with running water. My thought? “Oh, I guess that’s the only working sink”. No…. then the guy hands me a paper towel.

    WTF? A bathroom valet in a club at a thrash metal show?

    Yeah, I still tipped the guy, tho I felt suckered into it. But geez, what a strange thing to have at a show.

    Finally Overkill hit the stage.

    There is no compromise.

    Overkill is thrash to the end. You buy an Overkill album, it’s going to sound like Overkill. They haven’t experimented or changed their sound (I’m sure Blitz won’t be dueting with Lou Reed). And yes, they are there to wreck your neck.

    Despite the dude that was front-row-center with an iPad videoing half the show… despite the “over-excited jumping bean” that was banging into W and me and stepping on our feet all through the set… despite the bitchy cat-fight that almost broke out on the other side of us (what’s that Wrathchild America line about “clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right”?)… despite the strangeness of the crowd, most people were there for a good time and a good time was had. The pit was energetic and dedicated, the music was loud, and the show unrelenting.

    Scored one of DD’s picks.

    Really enjoyed how while they emphasized newer material, they pulled out a lot of old stuff. That was pretty cool.

    What really blew away W and I? Blitz. He’s not lost a thing. I mean, he’s got such power and range in is voice, and despite the “thrashing” and demands of such music, every yell, every scream, he was all over it. So many singers as they age just can’t do it any more: the bands tune down the guitars so they can still hit the higher notes of a song, or certain songs are no longer sung, or the way they sing changes. It’s no one’s fault, it’s just what happens as you get older. But Blitz sounded awesome. Powerful as hell up there, just commanding the stage with his voice and presence.

    I also enjoy how Derek (rhythm guitarist) is so interactive with the audience throughout the show. It’s fun being on his side of the stage and just watching him.

    This isn’t to take away from DD or Dave. I mean, DD is the band’s foundation (not just as the bass player), but when he plays he’s just in his groove. And Dave… I swear, if there’s any sort of undiscovered guitar shred god, Dave should be in contention; he’s really a great guitar player. Thing about Ron (drummer)? He was up on this riser and because of the lighting, I couldn’t really see him and say much, but the drums did sound good.

    Oh as an aside. I had no idea foam ear plugs had fidelity differences. I had some orange foams (don’t recall the brand, but bought at Academy sporting goods in the guns section). I had them in at first and everything sounded muddy: couldn’t hear vocals or guitars, but the drums came through like a muddy sledgehammer. It was horrible. I happened to also have a set of Hearos on me and switched to them. Oh wow! It was an amazing difference and suddenly everything sounded good. Both were the foam “bullet shape” style plugs, both with that 30-something NRR rating. Could it be that the orange were more attuned for shooting sports than musical fidelity? Maybe, but I just had no idea foam ear plugs cared about fidelity — never experienced any differences in the past, this was new to me. But hey, it’s Hearos from here (hear?) on out.

    Anyways, despite all the strangeness of the night, it was a great show and I’m happy I went. It was a birthday present from W, so I thank him for it. 🙂

    1. XDM
    2. Armorist
    3. Overkill
    4. Electric Rattlesnake
    5. Wrecking Crew
    6. Black Daze
    7. Rotten to the Core
    8. Bring Me the Night
    9. End of the Line
    10. Long Time Typin’
    11. Under One
    12. Pig
    13. Hello From the Gutter
    14. Ironbound
    15. Bitter Pill (encore)
    16. Elimination (encore)
    17. Fuck You (encore)

     

    Jason McMaster & Me

     

    Overkill