Facepalm – Vice President Joe Biden

Vice President Joe Biden explains what one should do for self-defense: get a shotgun.

Biden, doing a Google+ “hangout” to promote President Barack Obama’s proposals for battling gun violence, had been asked whether a new assault weapons ban might infringe on the Second Amendment rights of those who want one “as a last line of defense” to fend off looters after “some terrible natural disaster.”

“Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer, a double-barreled shotgun, than the assault weapon in somebody’s hands [who] doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” the outspoken vice president, a shotgun owner himself, replied. “It’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun. You want to keep people away in an earthquake? Buy some shotgun shells.”

This is one of those things that is so stunningly misinformed and full of terrible advice that you just don’t know how to respond. I’ll try tho.

First, credentials.

I am an NRA Certified Instructor (Home Safety, Pistol, Rifle, Personal Protection Inside the Home, Personal Protection Outside the Home). I am an NRA Certified Range Safety Officer. I am certified by the Texas Department of Public Safety as a Concealed Handgun License Instructor. I have been an assistant Instructor with KR Training for four years. I’ve received hundreds of hours of instruction in firearms and self-defense, with a large stack of certifications. There’s more, but this is enough to make my point. And no, I’m not as awesome as Tom Givens or my mentor, Karl Rehn, but I’ve learned a thing or two.

Joe Biden’s credentials: owns a shotgun.

Maybe Mr. Biden has more credentials that would permit him to speak as an authority on this topic. I haven’t seen them, and even if he showed me a list, after hearing the above I couldn’t believe him.

Let’s see here…

First I will agree that a shotgun is a formidable weapon. It can do devastating things. I do keep shotguns as part of my personal defense plan. I find them to be a solid small armament. They can be the right tool for the job.

I’m curious how Mr. Biden’s statement holds up.

A double-barreled shotgun. So that’s 2 rounds. What if you miss? What if there’s a need to fire more than 2 shots? If the statistical average of a gunfight is “3 shots, within 3 yards, within 3 seconds” then 2 rounds leaves you below-average and behind the curve. Is it legally and morally sound to put good people at a disadvantage from bad people?

A shotgun is harder to hit something with than a shotgun? Um… I’m not sure about that. Well, perhaps. The point of a shotgun is to hit small flying objects, like birds (ducks, doves, pheasants, etc.) or clay discs (skeet, trap). It does this by using lots of little tiny pellets and has them spread out in a cloud. And yes, compared to trying to hit a small flying thing with a single bullet (rifle, pistol) well sure, a shotgun will improve your chances of success.

But we’re not talking about hitting small flying objects. We’re talking about personal defense — even Mr. Biden is speaking in the context of personal defense. In such a case, not only is the target much bigger and moves much more slowly, it needs a far different payload. It’s one thing to take down a 2 pound bird, it’s another to take down a 200# violent criminal actor. You still have to aim. A shotgun is not some “cloud of death”. The spread is not as vast as you think. In fact, you actually do NOT want your pellets to spread out because 1. less pellets on target means less ability to stop the attack, 2. less pellets on target means more pellets where you didn’t intend them to go, which could be bad.

I’ve written at length about rifle vs. shotgun, so just go read.

Let’s continue with Mr. Biden’s statements:

 “This town listens when people rise up and speak,” Biden said

I’m not sure what town he’s talking about. Lots of people are speaking in other ways, and then it’s not like y’all listen when it comes to other topics. It really sounds like you’re pushing a personal agenda.

Biden noted that “it’s not about keeping bad guns out of the hands of good people, it’s about keeping all guns out of the hands of bad people. There should be rational limits.”

Then I guess it’s just “collateral damage” that this also will keep the guns out of the hands of good people?

Or are we considered bad people too?

Mr. Biden, I am not sure upon what credentials you speak, but your words don’t make much sense.

I’ll just say this. If a double-barreled shotgun is all someone needs, then start by equipping your Secret Service detail with nothing but double-barreled shotguns. Your actions will speak far louder than your words.


8 thoughts on “Facepalm – Vice President Joe Biden

  1. Ok, so the DBS is better than the AR … yet we ban the AR and leave the DBS around to fall into the wrong hands? Does not make sense … oh wait … that’s because Biden is full of shit.

    The truth is that he can’t tell you the real answer, which is that you’re expected to bend over take it. He’s not interested in your personal safety.

  2. I also tuned in to listen to the fireside chat with Joe yesterday afternoon. For a while there, he had me going. This is all just a part of a big rational plan to bring about a new era of safety for good people in America.

    The more I thought about it, the more I realized it’s a bunch of bull.

    I’d argue that one of the reasons people like Obama, Feinstein and other anti-gun elitists attach this notion of ‘hunting and sporting’ to the second amendment is because they are so well protected by other people with guns that they’ve convinced themselves that the rest of America is reasonably safe. So, what do they do? They send old Joe “the scrappy every American man who started with nothing and became vice president” Biden out to create the next gun legislation that will strip American rights protected under the second amendment. And he runs a convincing act too.

    Joe made a comment during the fireside chat yesterday about talking to police officers who support the assault rifle ban. Joe cited that their reason for supporting it was because they feel ‘outgunned’ in the streets.


    I did looking into causes of police officer death on the FBI website and found no cause to support this claim.


    2012 statistics were not yet available, but only 7 officers killed by rifles in 2011 – that’s ALL rifles, of which the AR’s are a subset.

    Handguns came in at over 5x higher – 50. Oh, and those safe shotguns that are going protect every family in America, those guns were the cause of 6 feloniously murdered police officers. Which means that shotguns in the hands of bad guys are just about as dangerous to police as all rifles combined.

    Nice try Joe.

    • Yeah… it’s all bullshit. My bigger point is that Joe obviously has no idea what he’s talking about… so how does anyone think he’s qualified to do this job of “coming up with a plan” for “gun safety”?

      I’ve said it before that asking “climate change deniers” to come up with environmental policy would be unheard of by this administration. Heck, just in the job world, when you need someone to do a job, you expect them to have experience and credentials to do the job. I write iPhone software for a living, and when I interviewed for the job they expected I knew what I was doing, that I had some apps in the App Store, and could demonstrate I knew what I was talking about and doing. They wouldn’t go hire a ditch digger for the job because he doesn’t have the credentials.

      It’s just so bizarre that on the topic of guns and crime prevention that people with no idea, no clue, no knowledge, no basis, no foundation, no background… are then somehow looked at as capable of speaking on the topic and making policy regarding the topic. Boggles the mind.

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