Ammo for an M1A

From Steve over at The Firearm Blog, Federal is making ammo specifically for M1 and M1A/M14’s.

Looks like it’s intended to be a target/match round. Now if they could just do the same for a hunting round!

The thing is, while a Springfield M1A may be chambered in .308 Win / 7.62x51mm NATO, it can’t use just any .308/7.62×51 ammo. I found a posting at The M14 Firing Line forum that states what Springfield themselves says about ammo for use in an M1A. Note that the following is based upon the forum posting; I haven’t confirmed if it actually is from Springfield. What’s written is basically what’s in there and not from me; anything that’s my comment will be noted. NB: this list is obsolete. Scroll down to the 20 October 2009 update for updated information.

  • For best accuracy, 168 grain Federal Match or Black Hills
  • Any factory .308 Winchester ammo made to SAAMI spec is usable.
  • Any military surplus 7.62x51mm NATO (as long as it’s manufactured to NATO specs) is usable.
    • [Hsoi: All “7.62” is not the same. You want 7.62x51mm NATO, not 7.62x39mm (like you’d fire out of an AK) or 7.62×54 (like you’d fire out of a Mosin-Nagant)]
    • [Hsoi: XM80 is your 7.62x51mm NATO 149 grain FMJ, so it works]
    • [Hsoi: XM118 is your 7.62x51mm NATO 175 grain HP, intended for longer range; it should work]
  • Any grain from 147 to 180 is usable.
    • 168 grain is recommended for best accuracy
  • Use FMJ, HP, or “ballistic tip” type rounds [Hsoi: i.e. plastic tiped bullets; note that the term “Ballistic Tip” is a registered trademark of Nosler, so it shouldn’t be used as a generic term for “plastic tipped” bullets]
    • Avoid soft points. The lead can shave and wind up down in the action and jam it up.
  • You can not use .308 Magnum
    • Hornady Light Magnum can be OK for short-term use, but certainly not a steady diet. The 110 grain may not be enough gases to cycle the action. [Hsoi: Hornady themselves says to not use these rounds in semi-auto and/or gas-operated firearms; IMHO, I wouldn’t use them in my M1A.]
  • Avoid steel-cased ammo (not necessarily SAAMI spec)
  • Avoid Hornady TAP [Hsoi: not sure why this]
  • Avoid Cavim ammo as it’s not very accurate and varies in size
  • For hunting
    • Winchester Silver Tip is OK to use [Hsoi: I’m not sure if they differentiate between Winchester Super-X Silvertip and Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silvertip, and/or if it matters. The Silvertip is an aluminum cap whereas the Ballstic Silvertip is a polycarbonate tip. Don’t know if it matters, and it probably doesn’t.]
    • Hornady Ballistic Tip [Hsoi: technically Nosler makes Ballistic Tip, as it’s their registered trademark. Are they meaning A-Max or V-Max? I don’t know, but you get the idea.]
    • Winchester Failsafe [Hsoi: Winchester doesn’t make this any more, replacing with the XP3 line.]
    • 168 grain for deer
    • 175 grain for moose
  • Moly coated bullets are OK to use but when you start to use them you must stay with them. You will have to clean the gas port more often. SAI does not recommend. If you do use them, it will gum up fast, and you’ll have to clean often and clean well.
  • Tracer and armor piercing ammo is OK, as long as it’s NATO spec.
  • Frangible ammo is too light, won’t work.

There’s a few other things in the posting, but it’s a bit redundant. Their terms are a bit informal so it’s difficult to know exactly what’s what, especially regarding hunting ammo. The key thing seems to be that you can NOT use anything with an exposed soft point. The reason is any exposed lead will shave off, get down into the action, and jam things up. I have read of people using exposed soft points in their M1A’s “without any problem” but one round may not a problem make.

Updated 20 Oct 2009: Prompted by this thread at m14tfl.com, I contacted Springfield Armory for further information. For historical purposes I opted to NOT change the above list but instead reprint SAI’s email here.

Springfield Armory: Recommended ammo for our rifles that are chambered for .308

Any commercially produced, new .308 ammunition that meets the following requirements:

  • Is a 110 grain to 180 grain bullet
  • Is a full metal jacket (FMJ), hollow point (HP or BTHP), or ballistic tip type bullet.
  • Do not use soft point (SP) bullets.
  • Do not use “light magnum” type ammo.
  • We do not recommend the use of any steel case ammo.
  • We do not recommend the use of any cast bullets.

You can also use surplus 7.62×51 ammo that meets the following requirements:

  • Is clean and from sealed containers.
  • is NATO spec. It will have a NATO spec mark on the case head and/or on the packaging that looks like a plus sign inside of a circle.
  • Avoid using surplus ammo that is “loose” or “bulk”.
  • We do not recommend the use of any steel case ammo.

To get the most in accuracy we recommend:

  • Federal Match or Black Hills match 168 or 175 grain.
  • Hornady Match / custom 168 grain or Hornady TAP 110 or 168 grain.

I am seeking clarification on a few points and will update this when/if I receive that clarification.

Updated 11 November 2009: I guess my emails to SAI went to /dev/null, so I contacted them again about clarifications. I finally got a response. Here’s a rundown:

  • I asked why not soft points
    • The response was as I had thought, that lead can shave and gum up the action.
  • I asked why not surplus, or ammo that is “loose” or “bulk”
    • The response is just because it could be of questionable status. So my personal feeling is, if you know the story behind the loose or bulk or surplus ammo, go ahead and use it (hey, it’s your gun… if you blow it up it’s your fault). If you have any doubts about the ammo, don’t use it.
  • I asked why not “light magnum” (thinking it may not cycle the action), and also asked why not steel case (thinking it may not be SAAMI spec, it may be hard on the extractor).
    • The response was “to be perfectly frank, we don’t recommend those types of ammo because they don’t work well in our M1A’s.”
  • I asked why not cast bullets, but didn’t get a specific response to that question. My guess is it’s the same as why not soft points.

So there you go. Hopefully this puts things to rest regarding what ammo you can and cannot use out of a Springfield Armory M1A. Of course in the end, it’s your gun so you can do what you want with it. Just remember that it’s your choice as to what you do (you’re the one that put the cartridge in the chamber and pressed the trigger), so you are responsible for whatever happens good or bad.

Happy shooting.

My reading list

I have a terrible habit. I like to buy/acquire books, and I tend to buy/acquire faster than I can read (there’s just too much good stuff out there!). As a result, my reading list grows and grows, and sometimes the only way it shrinks is to just abandon some book and hope I come back to it some day.

Another semi-bad thing is I often read multiple books at once. Maybe this book is light so it’s good for times I don’t want to get too deep into something. This book might be interesting but dense so when I’m in the can it may not make for the best reader. Maybe some concept came to me so I need to pull out this reference book and (re)examine some concepts (typically happens with martial arts stuff). Things like that. As a result, I tend to have books all around the house, bookmarked wherever I happen to be, and eventually I finish something. I am trying to change this. I am trying to keep my books isolated to as few areas in the house as possible (there’s a stack on my desk, which is my main queue; then I can have one other book floating about the house such as on my nightstand or wherever I was last reading). I am trying to stay dedicated to a single book and working my way through it, even if it’s only a few pages here and there as I have time.

My current reading? Howard Nemerov’s Four Hundred Years of Gun Control: Why Isn’t it Working? I picked up an autographed copy of the book during a class, and got to meet Howard. So far it’s a good read. The amount of research Howard put into the book is astounding. I’ll have a full review whenever I finish it (which may be a while).

I’ve currently got 8 other books in my queue, and last night Amazon delivered another 6 books (tho hopefully Wife will read at least 4 of them before I do). The reason I wrote this post? Because of Linoge’s post. I’ve wanted to read Atlas Shrugged for years, but was always put off because of the sheer size of the book vs. available time to read it. I think it’s about time, at least to buy a copy and officially add it to my queue.

LB430 update

I travel to Nebraska on occasion, so seeing the passage of LB 430 is welcome. Joe has the details.

What I’m looking for is reciprocity. Texas honors Nebraska’s license, it’ll be nice for Nebraska to honor Texas’.

Update: LB 430 isn’t law yet. It’s passed out of the legislature and is headed to the Governor’s desk for his signature, which I’m pretty sure he’ll sign.

Flip it to the right

I’ve watched a lot of people manipulate semi-automatic handguns. When having to perform a manipulation that involves working the slide (e.g. unloading the gun), I see something that doesn’t work too well.

People flip the gun to the left.

This does assume a right-handed shooter, but it’s more about how the gun is made. Look where the ejection port is. Semi-automatic pistols eject on the right side of the gun (relative to the muzzle as the front). So if you flip the pistol to the left, where is the ejection port? Facing up at the sky. What’s the problem with this? Gravity works against you. The round/case to be ejected may not fly up and out of the gun… it might remain in the gun, if you’re unloading and have removed the magazine it may drop down the magazine… all sorts of issues. I’ve seen more than enough “fumbles” due to tilting to the left. Whether you’re shooting in competition or to save your life, can you afford a fumble?

What should you do? Tilt to the right. Now where is the ejection port? Facing down. Why is this good? Gravity works in your favor. What does it also do? It points the magazine well towards your left hand, which may be bringing up a fresh magazine for a reload. If you’re going to be reloading sure, you could tilt to the right, but you’ll have to tilt to the left for the reload… why add the wasted motion of tilting to the left? No advantage. Again, left-handed shooters have a slightly different set of issues to deal with, so they’ll have to adjust accordingly.

So why do people flip to the left? Some that I’ve seen do it because they feel they can operate the slide more effectively with a left flip. Most of those that I’ve seen do this are using the slingshot method of manipulating the slide. This is yet another reason to move to an “overhand grip” method of working the slide. Kathy Jackson has a great set of pictures and explanation on how to rack a slide. In fact, notice in her first picture on the slingshot technique what happens? Tilt to the left, ejection port up.

The simpler we can make things, the better. The fewer movements we have to memorize and condition ourselves to, the better. Tilt to the right, manipulate the slide with an overhand grip. These basic motions will apply to many things that you do with a semi-automatic handgun. Keep it simple and go with them.

Wildlife where I live

One thing I love about the location of my house is the abundance of wildlife. Yes I’m in the city proper, but my house backs up to a greenbelt which is then connected to a few hundred acres of greenbelt, so we get all sorts of critters. Deer, coyote, fox, raccoon, possum, armadillo, and certainly lots of birds and reptiles. We do get lots of interesting lizards and snakes. Our neighbors across the street don’t get nearly what we do, because hot asphalt tends to be quite a barrier to cross. It’s really a nice thing… all the conveniences of the city, but a lot of the joys of the country as well.

A couple blocks from my house is a pond. Technically it’s part of flood control, but it does hold water year-round and has been landscaped into a nice park/pond. As a result, there’s a healthy population of turtles, geese, and ducks (mostly mallard and perhaps black duck, and the past few years Muscovy ducks have shown up). Every Spring the ducks wander the neighborhood, in search of food and nesting grounds. We currently have a nest in the bushes by our front door, which until just a few moments ago had 6 eggs.

I say that because Wife had a few friends visiting. She wanted to show them the nest and when she did she saw a snake eating the eggs. 🙂  The snake had just started swallowing the egg, so of course we had to bring the kids out for some nature study and research – a teachable moment! The snake seems to have eaten just the one egg and that was enough for him. He’s currently lounging in the bushes, getting some sun and digesting his feast.

Did some Googling and we think he’s a Texas Rat Snake, which are apparently quite common in the Austin area. This one was about 3.5′ long, so he’s still fairly young. The ladies visiting Wife wanted me to kill it, but I’m glad I didn’t. He’s not hurting anything and he’s not venomous. So he’s eating a duck egg… eh, he’s gotta eat something, right? Plus if he is in fact a Texas Rat Snake, he’s a good thing to have around in terms of keeping any rodents away. Of course, I think this guy was around more for the eggs than rodents. But still, good guy to have around, even if he does give Wife the willies. 🙂

BTW, if you click and look at the larger images you’ll see some black and white things all over the leaves of the bushes. Does anyone know what those are? I’ve been spraying the bushes for bugs but these seem to keep coming back and spreading. *sigh* I could just take them to the local nursery, but I haven’t been able to do that yet. If you know, please comment.

No Jobs this year

No no… not talking about employment, but rather Steve Jobs.

Apple’s annual World Wide Developer Conference (WWDC) is always highlighted by a keynote speech from Steve Jobs. I’ve been a Mac developer for quite a while, and I remember the days when WWDC was explicitly about developer-only stuff and the keynotes were explicitly devoid of product announcements and horse-and-pony show stuff. It was a developer conference after all, so it was all focused on us geeks. That’s changed over the years, and so has WWDC in many ways. The WWDC keynote tends to be a big hype event now, so Monday morning is always a madhouse. And this year, one change will be the lack of Steve Jobs at the keynote.

IMHO, that’s fine. Jobs has well-known health issues and he needs to care for himself first. I think it’s also good because too many people pin Apple’s success upon Jobs. In some ways that’s true, but they have to remember that Apple isn’t just Jobs, but a lot of other talented people as well. Apple will go on without Jobs.

Of course, I’d like to see how Apple’s stock does today, as this word gets out, and then how the stock does during the keynote. It’s always been amusing (sad?) to watch the by-minute changes in the stock price. Steve sneezes, price drops. Steve announces the expected hyped-up gadget, stock rises. The gadget doesn’t live up to the ludicrously inflated dreams of the fanboys? stock price drops. It’s all so amusing to watch.

But in the end, get well Steve.

What from Ruger?

So all the gun bloggers are getting excited wondering what big thing Ruger is going to unveil on Friday.

Of course, Tam’s snark is always good for a chuckle.

What do I think? Who knows. It does seem Ruger is sheding their controversial past. I mean, the Mini’s are now “tacti-cool“, you can buy factory 30-round magazines, so maybe it’ll be some sort of EBR like their entry into the AR market, tho I don’t know what they could really offer there that’s new/unique/compelling for the market. Michael Bane mentions a “big ole Ruger box” so I’d want to think that if we both define “big box” the same way it’s going to be a long-gun, not a 1911-style, not even a big-ass revolver, an LCP or LCR type gun… heck, shouldn’t be anything like that since those are fairly new, so they need to hit another part of the product line.

So if I’m going to predict anything, I’ll say something that breaks the mold, politically, for Ruger. e.g. an EBR.

Updated: Sebastian has a possible teaser? If it’s accurate, I’m good in my prediction. We’ll see tomorrow.

Updated 2: Steve at The Firearm Blog has an analysis of the Ruger situation. Given what he says there, it makes it even more likely to be an AR-style rifle.

Guns in National Parks amendment

Yesterday the US Senate backed an amendment to allow people to carry concealed handguns into national parks.

On the surface, I’m pleased with this. Evil by definition doesn’t follow the rules. We good, well-intended folk might draw a line somewhere and say “sorry, you can’t cross this” and other good, well-intended folk will obey that… but evil won’t. When people go hiking in the backwoods of our national parks and risk running across people engaged in illegal activity (e.g. illegal drug operations, such as marijuana cultivation), those criminals tend to shoot first and ask no questions at all. Why should we good folk be disadvantaged, and forcefully so, by the laws that we cherish and obey?

If the measure becomes law “it would not only put park visitors and wildlife at risk, it would change the character and the peaceful and safe atmosphere in our parks,” [Bryan Faehner, associate director of the National Parks Conservation Association, an advocacy group that opposes guns in parks] said.

So tell me how visitors are not already at risk? Tell me how evil is already warded off and parks are 100% safe havens. And wildlife will be at risk? How? This law only permits lawful concealed carry of a handgun by a segment of the population that are statistically more law-abiding that your average citizen. So now they’re going to break hunting and other game laws? I mean, you can hunt in national parks, per hunting laws, which means wildlife isn’t any more or less at risk because of this. How is this going to change? Oh that’s right… once you put a gun in someone’s hand they turn into bloodthirsty killers bent on shooting everything they see. The law no longer applies. We’re above the law! MUHAHAHA!  That’s right… I forgot. Silly me. 🙄  Gosh, and you’d think that with all the years of data we have regarding concealed carry would mean something… the fears of OK Corral shootouts and how the streets would be flowing with blood… gosh, none of that has yet come to pass; in fact, violent crime went down. Golly gosh jeepers, what to do.

But while I’m happy to see this, I’m not happy to see how it’s being done. It’s being attached as an amendment to a credit card reform bill. This is a bill that many feel needs to pass into law, given our current economic climate. So attaching this amendment — which has nothing to do with the bill — really doesn’t fly with me. The bill is one that needs to become law and likely will, which is part of the (sneaky) strategy in putting the amendment on this very bill. This strategy is sneaking the concealed carry stuff in through the back door, with a high chance that will allow it to become law (no line-item veto, so we’ll have to see how it fairs in committee when House and Senate reconcile). Folks, we bitch when people do this about things we don’t favor, so we need to bitch even when they do things in our favor. We can’t like the backdoor when it favors us and dislike it when it doesn’t.

Updated: Yea! It’s nice to see another gun blogger with mixed emotions over this one. It’s really interesting to watch most of your “pro gun blogs” out there, that bitch and moan about such legislative tactics, but now that the tactic is favoring them are oddly silent on the tactic and all happy to see legislation favoring them.

Springer Precision Firebird PMAG Coupler Review

TXGunGeek has a review of Springer Precision‘s Firebird PMAG Coupler.

I’ll let Mr. Gun Geek’s review do most of the talking. I’ve seen and gotten to play with the very same couplers he reviewed. They weren’t too bad. I was concerned about how they’d affect balance of the rifle in your hand, and they really didn’t have an adverse affect that I could feel.

Will I get them? Probably not, only because I’ve been looking for something else. I want to have more ammo on the rifle but not necessarily coupled together. Something like the Boonie Packer Redi-Mag may fit the bill. Yeah, TXGunGeek has an older version of the Redi-Mag on his AR. I was considering the Redi-Mag long ago, and being able to play with TXGunGeek’s has helped prod me in that direction, but I still haven’t made my decision.

That said, Springer’s Firebird PMAG Coupler is still a pretty cool thing. If that’s the sort of solution you’re after, like all things Springer Precision does it’s high quality and you should be satisfied.

It’s precisely a safety issue

Louisiana is a step closer to allowing concealed carry on campus. Here’s hoping it makes it.

“Guns and campuses simply do not mix,” [Higher Education Commissioner Sally Clausen] said. “This is not a 2nd Amendment right; this is a safety issue.” 

It’s exactly a safety issue. If being safe is a matter of keeping people from harm, please tell me how “gun free zones”, such as college campuses, keep people from harm? There’s no invisible shield surrounding the campus keeping the evil out. We’ve got years of data showing that once you allow concealed carry, violent crime goes down. Where’s your data showing otherwise? We’ll be waiting.