Interview with Forrest Morgan, part 2

Ikigai has posted part 2 of the Forrest Morgan interview.

When I was reading part 1 of the interview, a lot of it hit home. Again, Mr. Morgan’s answers to questions in part 2 hit home.

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Interview with Forrest Morgan

There are lots of books on martial arts, most being “how to” and not always worth a darn. While I certainly do read some of those books, what I find myself more drawn too are martial arts books on a more esoteric or philosophical level. Good books in that realm are harder to find. One of them is Living the Martial Way: A Manual for the Way a Modern Warrior Should Think by Forrest Morgan.

Ikigai has an interview with Mr. Morgan. Part 1 is up. It contains some background information, and I found a few things striking a chord with me. It sounds so much like my own relationship with Kuk Sool Won.

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Changing my stance on WKSA

Yes I know. I’ve been pretty critical and unhappy with the direction the World Kuk Sool Association has been going. Just look at past postings and you can see.

Yesterday’s meeting changed me a bit. I gained some deeper insight into many things. I saw a little more of the human side of things. I see what In Hyuk Suh is doing, and I really don’t blame him. In the end, he’s just a man that wants to take care of his family, and I find no fault with that; in fact, that’s how any good father and husband should be. I still don’t think the franchise agreement is sound business… I think existing schools may get by but the agreement is mighty scary for any new franchisees. So while the implementation may not be best, the goal… well, I’m a little warmer to it.

I think what really changed was a solidifying of a stronger separation between the art and the business. You see, I really don’t have a problem with the art. I think the art itself is good, is sound. There are only so many ways the body can move, and things like the main curriculum really work to help teach you that: both how to move your body and how to move someone else’s body. The structure of the curriculum is very well done, and there’s a lot of subtle things in the structuring that are well thought out. Sure it’s not perfect and there are arguments that moving some things around might be better, but on the whole it’s pretty well done and not just something slapped together. Is it a perfect art? No, but there’s a lot about it that is good and sound. I still love the art itself.

But the business of the art… that’s really what drove me away. Be it this franchise stuff, be it all the politics, all the bullshit, all the watered down teaching, the memorization-regurgitation aspect of it all, money money money “>money money money, buy t-shirts! buy merchandise!… this is all business stuff. In the end, business killed it for me.

So like I said, yesterday really revitalized me. It was a situation that, business wise, was well… practically business free! So little bullshit. The teaching was sound, working towards truer understanding and application. Old school, where business doesn’t really matter and it’s just art. Man, that’s great. So yes, I’d love to have more private lessons if he’s willing to do them. 🙂

I’ll still be critical of WKSA, if needed. I don’t tolerate bullshit. But let’s not confuse the business and the art.

A Kuk Sool kind of day

Today was a good day. Interesting day. Educational day.

I had the good fortune of having lunch with a particular gentleman. This man studied Kuk Sool for many many many years. He’s well versed, Master level, skilled. He’s also very friendly and talkative. He loves the art, and that was evident in his teaching today.

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Search term blog fodder

And so… back to the search terms, for more cheap blog material.

hwarangdo vs kuksool

What do you want to know? Both rather controlling, ego driven, Hapkido-related, traditional Korean martial arts. They both have really fancy schmancy uniforms. They both claim to be the ultimate in martial arts covering everything for every one. They both claim to have gazillion year old lineages, full of secret information.

I remember long long ago when I first heard of HRD that I was impressed… I thought it was such a cool, bad-ass martial art. Then I read a lot of the rules, rules that broached into your personal life for a total code of behavior. While I can sorta see the traditional aspect behind that, it also reeks of cult-ism, which both of these arts have been accused of. Not that they are a cult, they aren’t, but they do exhibit cult-like behavior. Still, if you watch the senior ranking masters perform, they’re quite awesome. Taejoon Lee of HRD and Sung Jin Suh of KSW (both the sons of the respective art founders) are fantastic martial artists.

Given a choice tho, I’d study neither. HRD offers me nothing that I haven’t already dealt with in Kuk Sool, and after 6 years of Kuk Sool I opted to leave it and study other things.

difference in damage from 9mm to 45

On paper, in ballistics gel, in the laboratory, .45 ACP probably does more. In the real world, doesn’t really matter… both suck.

Shoot the gun that you can shoot best: fast, accurate. You want to get fast, accurate hits in the proper target zone. Shot placement is key. The biggest baddest round in the wrong spot means nothing. And lots of little “weak” .22 LR’s placed in the right spot have taken down all sorts of things over the years. Shot placement matters more.

And so to improve your chances at shot placement, you want to shoot the gun you can shoot better. Me, I can shoot .45 ACP just fine and dandy, but I can shoot 9mm better because there’s less recoil to manage (I can get back on the sights and on target faster). I can shoot it faster and maintain a high level of accuracy with it.

YMMV

best email client for macintosh snow leopard

What’s left these days? Microsoft Entourage and Apple’s Mail.app. Is there anything else even available?

Mail.app has the advantage of a lot of integration with the OS, with your iPhone, and so on. I still don’t think it’s as good a client as Entourage is tho. But I must admit, Mail’s complete integration, especially now that I have an iPhone, really makes it tempting for me to want to switch to Mail.app. Why don’t I? Inertia. There’s WAY too much to overcome to make the switch.

how to manage geeks

See: how to herd cats.

Or more easily: enable them to do their work and leave them alone to do it. Don’t bullshit them. Meritocracy tends to be strongly in play.

“kuk sool won” mcdojo

Yup.

I shouldn’t be so harsh. Any martial art can be a McDojo. Unfortunately, more and more the way World Kuk Sool Association is running Kuk Sool Won, it’s reeking more and more of McDojo-ism. The art itself can be a very solid art, unfortunately the way the business side of things is run, you get what you got.

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FSEvents.framework is your friend.

why did marlin sims leave kuk sool

Why don’t you ask him?

But if you don’t want to, my understanding is disagreements with the WKSA. He wanted to do one thing, they wouldn’t let him. Exerting too much control over a person, restricting and restraining, that’s not a productive thing. He left. I don’t blame him.

But whatever. He’s doing his own thing now. I think it’s better for the martial arts world in general, because now he can control his own destiny… he can share his vast knowledge, experience, and ability with the world and no one can stop him. It’s a loss for WKSA but a big gain for the rest of the world.

BTW, I got to speak with him at length on the phone one time. Great guy. Funny. So knowledgeable. An artist, but more so a scientist. I never got the chance to directly train with him, but would love to do so if the opportunity arose.

best good nine 9 mm handgun

As opposed to the best bad nine 9mm handgun? Or maybe the worst good nine 9 mm handgun?

how far does a 9mm hand gun shoot?

If you angled everything just right, centerfire handgun rounds can travel about 1 to 1.5 miles.

This is why you must follow the rules, especially NRA rule 1 or Cooper rule 4.

how many shots does a 9mm gun carry?

Depends upon the gun and the magazine. For instance a Glock 17 magazine holds 17 rounds. A Springfield EMP magazine holds 9 rounds. I can buy a 33 round magazine for the Glock…. it sticks out a lot, but still can be used.

best 9mm handgun 2009

Springfield Armory’s XD(m) won the 2009 NRA Golden Bullseye Award for Handgun of the Year. Take that for what it’s worth.

shotgun vs pistol home defense

Neither. Rifle.

Kuk Sool action books

Check this out.

The Adventures of Mark and JayLee: Modern Masters of Ancient Skill

Came out just a couple months ago.

Interesting bit? Martial arts. Hrm. Korean tilt to things. Hrm. There was once a Master in Kuk Sool Won named Jay Lee. Hrm. He used to work for the Houston PD. Hrm. In fact, Marlin Sims (another former Kuk Sool Won Master) did some things there too. You know the infamous “pimp slap” video? That Jay Lee; in fact, in that video around 0:30 you’ll see a tall thin black man standing over the pimp, that’s Marlin Sims (note the Kuk Sool Won logo on the back of his t-shirt). Mark? Marlin? Close enough, especially since apparently Mark is the black guy on the cover. The white guy is JayLee… JayLee, Jay Lee, close enough.

Digging deeper I find: Selrauq Action Books

Even a blog about Korean martial arts.

Someone points out the name of the author. Selrauq is Quarles spelled backwards, as in Victor Quarles, 5th Dan Master in Kuk Sool Won teaching out of the Woodlands, TX.

In fact, their next book is going to be called Kuk Sool Saga.

I’m not sure why the pseudonym, especially if the little bit of sleuthing exposes everything. Nevertheless, it’s an interesting endeavor. I hope it proves successful for him.

It’s a good day

So far, it’s a good day.

It’s the Labor Day weekend. It’s been productive for me, despite my overriding desire to be lazy all weekend long.

I just came in from a workout. I’m so happy with where my martial arts work is going. The Kali, JKD, Silat, Muay Thai, and boxing stuff… it all blends so well with my defensive handgun work. I don’t expect a self-defense situation to be a pure gunfight or a pure empty-hand situation. It always could be, but chances are it won’t. It’s wonderful to have many options at your disposal, and for these things to blend well into making your own system. I don’t regret my Kuk Sool training at all, but some of those aspects don’t really lend towards my current goals. But I envison later in life that I’ll find myself studying different martial arts again just for the sake of studying some art; for instance, Baguazhang holds appeal to me due to its Taoist underpinnings.

But for now, I’m riding a high of everything coming together so well. Serendipity. 🙂

Hopefully later this morning the family will take a trip to the best Korean grocery store in town and pick up some things. Need my kimchi fix. They also have a little diner in the store, which should make for a good lunch. Not sure what I’ll have yet, but if nothing else my default of a bibimbap would be just fine.

Then home, relax, have a beer, and just enjoy the rest of the day basking in the joy of my family.

It will be an even better day. 🙂

Use it or lose it

I’m constantly amazed at how long it takes to gain things, but how quickly they are lost.

Since I switched my martial arts study, I haven’t done any Kuk Sool work — I’ve barely thought about it. However I realized that I’m losing a few things. Not the mental knowledge, but the physical conditioning that Kuk Sool gave me. Granted, I’m using a different set of muscles and physical movements, so I’m gaining physical conditioning in other ways. But some of the losses I’m not liking. For instance, Kuk Sool did a lot of leg work. My current studies aren’t as heavy on leg work. Consequently, I’ve noticed my legs fading a bit.

So this morning after doing a bunch of kali stick work, I opted to run through all my Kuk Sool forms. Nothing intensive, but just something to feel the burn again.

And burn I felt. 🙂

My legs are aching a bit from all the low stance work, going in and out of low stances does work your leg muscles quite well. It also made me realize how part of my ankle rehab was coming from doing all of that work. Furthermore, my knees aren’t so happy these days, since they’re not getting the same level of use/strengthening. It’s all crazy.

So, I’m going to resolve to at least do a bunch of deep knee bends every day. Nothing major, just something to ensure I use it and don’t lose it. And I’ll keep doing my forms from time to time. It’s good for me. 🙂

Kuk Sool and cross training

There’s a discussion going on in the Kuk Sool forum at Martial Arts Planet about “Hypocritical aspects of WKSA” and one of the larger themes coming out of the discussion is about cross-training.

The notion of cross-training is an attempt to overall improve something towards meeting your goals. That one avenue may get you part of the way there, so you want to also add another avenue to get you all the way there. In martial arts, the classic situation is handled in today’s mixed-martial arts (MMA) environment. If you just study striking, you may be a great striker but what happens if someone takes you down to the ground? If you just study wrestling, do you know how to deal with someone that wants to stand up and throw punches? If you know how to fight on the ground, can you handle avoiding going to the ground in the first place? There’s a desire to be well-rounded because you cannot predict where a fight will go. Sure in a sport competition environment you can have rules and that dictates what will and won’t happen, e.g. in a boxing match you can be sure people will only be throwing punches. But in combat, you don’t know what you’ll be up against so the trend with MMA today is to be well-rounded and study all aspects so you can handle whatever situation may come your way.

One appeal of Kuk Sool as an art is that it is fairly comprehensive, even at higher levels supposedly teaching healing arts. Nevertheless, as you get into Kuk Sool study you start to discover that it does have some holes. One notable point is the ground game. The Wah Ki set of techniques are “defense from a recumbent position”, and while they may be sufficient to help one defend themselves from an untrained attacker, they barely scratch the surface of what can be accomplished on the ground. Other parts of the Kuk Sool curriculum come across in a similar way: it’s there, it’s something, but it’s not much. Kuk Sool’s “cane curriculum” is a whopping 10 techniques. If one examines more typical Hapkido cane curriculum, there is far more involved and available in terms of the study of a cane as a weapon. Dan bong curriculum is 3 meditations and 2 forms, no formal technique work (tho you can do things such as apply it to Maek Chi Ki or Ki Bohn Soo and see where it takes you); no real application of the weapon.

One could assert that the formal curriculum is but a start. I would agree with that. Many times packed within those few techniques is a great deal of information. One shouldn’t limit their focus to just the performance of the rote technique, but one should break the technique down to see what’s being discussed and demonstrated by the technique. From there, one should explore and see where you can go and how to find yourself in the art. For instance, as I explored dan bong on my own I went through all of my empty hand techniques seeing where or how or if a dan bong could be used in such a situation. What helps is having a good teacher that works to encourage this exploration, but I fear that Kuk Sool Won (WKSA) far too often emphasizes memorization and regurgitation of “textbook curriculum” and just adhering to the formal book techniques. You watch demonstrations and far too often every move you see is a rote move; that’s fine to some degree, but why can’t people branch out beyond that to make their art alive?

Consequently, a lot of people that study Kuk Sool want to cross-train. They feel there’s something that Kuk Sool isn’t providing them. They don’t want to leave because they feel there’s something Kuk Sool is providing, but it’s just not taking them 100% of the way to their goals. The unfortunate thing is, WKSA frowns upon cross-training. I’ve heard numerous reasons as to why. Some say it’s a quest to keep the art pure. This is understandable because if people start to add more and more of their own outside knowledge and flair, eventually that will change the art (like playing the telephone game). Part of Kuk Sool’s “charter” is a study and preservation of traditional Korean Martial Arts heritage, and if they wish to preserve history then they must work to preserve how things are. Fair enough. The trouble then becomes that the art can never change, it can never evolve. Of course, anyone that really knows WKSA history from the past 50+ years knows things have in fact changed, but whatever… we’ll take SUH In Hyuk at his word. Another reason for no cross-training is that Kuk Sool is a complete art and there’s no need nor reason to cross-train; the system is perfect as it is. I’m not sure about that, because it depends upon who defines it as perfect. To SUH In Hyuk, it’s perfect. To me, it wasn’t perfect. I see nothing in Kuk Sool’s curriculum about the study of firearms, despite the assertion that Kuk Sool preserves Korea’s martial history and KJN Barry Harmon’s book, 5000 Years of Korean Martial Arts, saying Koreans did use gunpowder. In the MAP thread, one school owner even said:

YES! Here’s why, I had a student (yellow belt) been with me for six months he started training combat firearms. His firearms instructor told him that his MA training was limiting his performance in his target shooting. He told him his stance was all wrong and it was effecting his ability to hit the target. So he insisted in changing his stance in Kuk Sool to fit his firearms training because he wanted to be consistant. I of course insisted that he do the stances correctly. It came down to him having to make a choice. He did and left on good terms. Thats why I don’t allow any cross training at my dojang. It’s a simple business decision it saves alot of hassle and things like that spread like wildfire throughout an organization as you can see in WKSA right now.

I think it’s a shame that WKSA/KSW demands such rigid adherence to how things must be. It assumes we’re all the same, with the same goals, same abilities. That this small elderly woman can do things just the same as this large young man. Now, I do know they aren’t that rigid about things, but the above and my own experiences do show that depending who you are working with, the organization really wants things done their way. That’s certainly fair of them to require. I’m just not sure how good it is for the longevity of the art and the organization.

In order to survive, all living things must evolve. If you don’t evolve and change and adapt, you will die. Kuk Sool is a great art in and of itself, but it needs to determine what it finds more important: what is the goal of Kuk Sool? If it is to unwaveringly preserve the martial history of Korea, then to remain static is mostly acceptable as history doesn’t change. However, every day Korea adds to its martial history; why shouldn’t modern evolutions of Korea’s martial history also be preserved? If the modern Korean military is studying X, shouldn’t Kuk Sool Won consider incorporating X to also maintain that history?  But if Kuk Sool’s goal is to allow people to find themselves, to provide them with an effective martial art, wouldn’t it too want to evolve? That as new discoveries are made, as things are found to work and not work, wouldn’t the art want to grow and evolve to keep meeting those needs? Or perhaps WKSA’s goal is making money, but I don’t want to digress into that discussion.

Perhaps we can see why people that study Kuk Sool often want to cross-train: the art refuses to evolve, but these students wish to evolve. The art and those in control of it are free to do as they wish, just as those that study ought to be free to do as they wish. If WKSA wants to prohibit people from freely exploring and learning, I suppose they can try to do that… but it can’t stop us from leaving when we get tired of being held back for no good reason.

In the end, it’s all about satisfying goals. So long as you are being true to yourself, you being the martial arts student or you being the head of a martial arts organization, so long as you’re satisfying the goals you have and are being honest about them, that’s all you can do.

Satisfying ego or satisfying results?

I just finished reading this letter over at Tony Blauer’s website. To be fair, the letter reads like a mix of a testimonial and an ad/promotion for Blauer’s approach. That said, the article still brings up an important point.

The letter recounts Tom Arcuri’s journey in studying and ultimately teaching martial arts. As Mr. Arcuri developed his own style, he recognized why students come to him: not necessarily to learn some style of art, but to learn how to fight or defend themselves. Recognizing a need to satisfy this goal, he set out to meet it. Unfortunately and admittedly he chose the wrong measuring stick for progress: variety. In class situations he could see all sorts of variety and teach it, but once the students got into pressure situations, the variety went out the door. Why?

The answer came to Mr. Arcuri one summer. He came to learn that when one gets into pressure situations, one reverts to gross concepts and skills. Thus variety for the sake of variety goes out the door. Consequently, he changed how he evaluates from “variety” to “results”. I think that’s a good change. Does it necessarily matter how you defend yourself so long as you defend yourself successfully?

Mr. Arcuri writes:

As a group we tend to be control freaks, ego centric, and a bit insecure regarding our skills. This is ironic since we emphasize self-confidence and constant devotion to self-improvement to our students. We spend an inordinate amount of time arguing to be right even in the face of evidence to the contrary. Knowing forty or four hundred techniques gives us control and feeds our egos, but does it enhance our student’s survivability in a “real street fight”? Remember, it’s women and children that are more likely to have to defend themselves in our society.

I touched on this recently. Some arts make a big deal out of how much they have in their curriculum and how much they can teach you. The reality? Not so much. Kuk Sool may tout 3608 techniques, but I’ve long wondered just how they arrive at that total. If you look at what Kuk Sool terms “techniques” (the joint locks, throws, sweeps, etc… Ki Bohn Soo, Sohn Mohk Soo, etc.), then to earn 1st degree black belt you must learn 226 techniques; to earn 2nd degree, 143 techniques (369 total); to earn 3rd degree, 40 techniques (409 total); to earn 4th, 25 techniques (434 total); to earn 5th, 30 techniques (464 total). Now this isn’t to say the official Kuk Sool curriculum doesn’t have other things involved, but the point is that by the time you become a “Master rank” in Kuk Sool, you’ve been taught 464 techniques: only about 13% of the claimed knowledge in the system. Wow. So where are all those other techniques? Super-secret for only the blessed and privileged to know, I guess. Or maybe creative counting; I’ve wondered if by 3608 techniques they mean just the strictly defined techniques or if they also count kicks (front kick, 1; low front kick, 2; middle front kick, 3; high front kick, 4; etc.), punches, and every other little thing, since I know in other arts they will label that sort of stuff “techniques”. But however things are labeled and counted, the point still remains the same: aiming to collect a big number of stuff.

Aside: after a while you’ll find the techniques you’re learning are the same or almost the same. The body only bends so many ways, so if you claim thousands of ways to bend the body, eventually you’re going to repeat yourself in some fashion. Certainly I saw a lot of such repetition in the Kuk Sool curriculum. That’s not all bad because it helps to demonstrate different entries and approaches. But make sure you take those numbers for what they are.

So what’s the point of all of this? IMHO, ego satisfaction. You can strut around qualitatively stating “look at all that I know.” Then it’s easy to get into dick-measuring contests (e.g. Hwa Rang Do, a Kuk Sool contemporary, one-ups with their 4000+ techniques; see my previous article). But will a big ego keep you from getting your ass kicked? Maybe, but I doubt it.

As I’ve often said, what ultimately matters are the personal goals that you have for yourself. If your personal goal is to just acquire a large library of knowledge, then that’s fine. If your personal goal is to inflate your ego, that’s fine too. I know it sounds like I’m down on that, and I personally am because it’s not my goal and I don’t see much true point in that goal. But truly if that’s what you want and you feel it makes your life better, who am I to tell you no? I do hope you have perspective on that goal, but otherwise go for it. Me, my goal these days is combat effectiveness. I’d rather have one technique that I could execute solidly and well and that could truly save my life, than a thousand techniques that I half-assed know and don’t practically do much for me. This is why Filipino martial arts hold so much appeal for me.

As an engineer (with an engineer’s mindset) and given how much Taoism resonates with me, that’s likely why Bruce Lee’s philosophies resonate with me. He speaks of emptying your cup so it can be filled, of keeping what is useful and discarding the rest, of achieving a true simplicity in combat. Note that for these things to happen, first you must acquire. While learning nothing vs. learning something then discarding it, might appear in the end to achieve the same results, they really don’t. Antoine de Saint Exupéry wrote:

Il semble que la perfection soit atteinte non quand il n’y a plus rien à ajouter, mais quand il n’y a plus rien à retrancher.

(It would seem that perfection is attained not when no more can be added, but when no more can be removed.)

To strive for perfection, strive for simplicity. If it is not useful, discard it; but that does imply you must first have acquired it so you could determine if it was useful or not. How to determine if it’s useful? Does it help you satisfy your goals? If your goal is to satisfy your ego, then fine. If your goal is to get satisfying results, well… to me, satisfying results satisfies ego. 🙂