NAA Guardian .32 ACP – first shots

It was a lucky find.

I’ve been intrigued by things like the Seecamp LWS32 and North American Arms Guardian for some time. Why? Just because. They’re so tiny, about the smallest “practical” semi-auto pistols you can buy and use for personal defense. But it’s not been a serious obsession or anything, just a passing interest.

But when I was out in Kerrville, TX last weekend with some extended family, one of them took me to a pawn shop. I don’t frequent pawn shops (just not my habit), but on this day I’m glad I did because right there in the case was a NAA Guardian .32 ACP.

I bought it on the spot.

Why?

My interest in guns started with personal defense, and that remains my primary motivator. Sure, my first purchase was a small gun, a Springfield XD-9 Subcompact. Well, it was a mistake purchase because small guns are hard to shoot and shoot well, which really works against someone learning how to shoot, build competence, and gain confidence. Shortly after I started, I ended up buying another gun, an XD-9 with the 5″ barrel, and things went much smoother. 🙂

While I prefer full-sized guns for a host of reasons, there’s no question small guns have their role. They are NOT a first choice, and probably not even a second or third choice, but sometimes they are the right tool for the job. I mean, I have a screwdriver that has a 24″ shaft, which I bought and used once because it was the needed tool for the job. You tend to be more successful when you use the right tool for the job, and being as a gun is merely a tool, you should use the right one for the job at hand. Sometimes, small is what you need.

For a while my small gun was a S&W 442 J-frame “snub-nose” revolver. There’s a lot of positive to such a choice, but after a few years of trying to make it work for me I came to accept that it just wasn’t the best choice for my needs. The S&W M&P Shield 9mm has worked out pretty well, but the Shield’s size is in an odd slot where it’s a little big for small jobs and a little small for big jobs. It does work and fills a fair role, but it’s still not always what’s needed.

I’ve considered Kahr’s for a long time, like a PM9/MK9 or maybe a CM9, and frankly during my shopping in Kerrville I did look for one of these Kahrs and may well have bought it if one was available. Alas, the only Kahrs they had at the couple places we went to were other calibers or larger sizes.

But then, the NAA Guardian came up, and I figured what the hey, why not?

It’s a (very) small gun for when you need that. I’ve had a few times in life where I’ve had to go somewhere and wanted the smallest possible gun I could legally carry. I made do with what I had, but still wished for something smaller. And now, perhaps I have it.

Plus why this particular gun? As an instructor, we get people asking all sorts of questions, and it’s often useful to give tangible answers. Being able to have such a gun on hand to let people handle, shoot, and see first-hand why we might answer as we do – it enables people to convince themselves, which is far more educational and persuasive than saying “just trust us”.

As well, it’s simple novelty, and “just because”. It’s the first time I’ve seen one for sale (tho maybe if I got out more I might have seen one sooner), so I figured I better buy while I can. 🙂

The Gun

The NAA Guardian was introduced in 1997. If you search around for those “mouse gun comparison charts” is one of the smallest around. This version, in .32 ACP (not .32 NAA), is all steel, DAO, holds 6+1, barrel 2.49″, OAL 4.4″, 3.3″ tall, 0.85″ wide, 13.6 oz empty and 16 oz full.

That’s small.

NAA Guardian .32 ACP vs. S&W M&P9

So small that most people can only get 1 finger on the grip, with your ring and pinky fingers dangling off. Yeah, that’s a bit of a problem. Good luck getting that 2-handed grip on it. 🙂

This particular gun seems to be on the older side. I’ve emailed NAA asking questions, but as of this writing I’ve yet to hear back. I’m curious about the gun because it does seem older. For example, the 2 magazines are all metal, whereas the new production magazines have plastic baseplates. Some other details make me wonder about the history here, but I’ll save that for another time.

Overall it seemed to be in good shape. Obviously fired, but reasonably maintained.

Then there’s .32 ACP. Yeah… it’s not the best cartridge. If you’re curious about .32 ACP, search around as there’s lots of information out there. But long-short made relevant here? It seems the best choice is loads with Hornady XTP bullets, as they will have reasonable penetration AND will expand. Is it still great performance? Nope; I still consider it sub-optimal. But it’s not the worst thing in the world, and it’s better than nothing.

You just have to remember that it’s all about trade-offs. This is not a gun of first choice, or even second or fifth choice – this is a gun of “no other choice”.

First Shots

Before I took it to the range I took it apart to clean and oil it. Yeah, it was dirty, and I could also tell… old. The recoil springs were old. Still, I cleaned what I could, oiled it up well, and put it back together. The fact it lacks any way to lock the slide back is a little annoying, but it’s what it is.

I purchased single boxes of a variety of ammo:

  • Federal American Eagle 71 grain FMJ
  • Herter’s 73 grain FMJ
  • Winchester “white box” 71 grain
  • PMC 71 grain FMJ
  • Hornady’s “Custom” 60 grain with the XTP bulet (2 boxes)

Ran through all 250 rounds between myself, a friend, and Oldest. Here’s how it went.

There were numerous malfunctions, mostly failures to feed. Sometimes the last round would stovepipe in the magazine, sometimes it might start feeding then the slide closed and things munged up. Considering how and when it would happen (many times the last round in the magazine), that it happened with all ammo types, under various shooting circumstances, best we can figure is old springs. The magazines are likely original springs, and given the gun uses the upward pressure of the magazine as the ejection mechanism, it’s likely that. So I’m going to purchase some new magazines (and new recoil springs) and try again. If it continues to malfunction after that, then it’s off to the gunsmith. If it continues to malfunction after that, then it becomes a conversation piece. Certainly at this point I do not trust the gun for personal protection.

The inability to lock the slide back? That’s a major hamper when it comes to clearing the malfunctions. I reckon any malfunctions or reload needs here will be better served by dropping this gun and drawing a second gun, which you’re unlikely to have if you’ve been pressed into having to carry this gun in the first place. :-\

Overall tho, all ammo performed fairly well. The Herter’s had noticeably more felt recoil than the others. But regardless of bullet shape – and they were all different – all either fed or malfunctioned the same. I could detect no pattern of success or failure, so likely in the future practice ammo purchases will be “whatever is cheapest”.

Felt recoil wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. I expected some bite, but didn’t get it. Would I want to do a 1000 round weekend class with it? Probably not (and not just because felt recoil). But something like KR Training’s Defensive Pistol Skills – Back Up Gun (4 hours, 150-200 rounds) oh sure. I will say tho, a couple times we gripped the gun up higher than it should be gripped and the felt recoil was greater and hurt a little bit. Will have to see how that pans out in reality in terms of quick drawing.

We did no draw work, tho I did get lucky and found a DeSantis Nemesis at Cabela’s (hrm.. I wonder if I can get a Safariland ALS for it so I can open carry it come January 2016… that’s a joke, folks). Everything was from the ready position. At this point it was just trying to determine if the gun was reliable enough, if and what any issues were, what ammo would it consume, and just how it ran and felt.

Some stuff was slow fire. I was surprised at the accuracy. We were shooting a 8″ steel plate at probably 15 yards and had no problems when using the “sights”. Yes, “sights” in quotes because it does have some bumpy things up there, but I doubt you’ll ever use them in a fight because they are hard to find and use (tiny tiny, hard to find, hard to determine “equal height, equal light”). Shots did land slightly right, and it was easy to see why. The barrel and frame are 1 piece, with the front sight is on the barrel; the rear sight is on the slide. The slide locks up fine, but looking at the rib that runs the length of the top of the gun, you can see the slide isn’t perfectly square on lockup. Bug or feature? I don’t know, and maybe new recoil springs will help. But because of that the sights don’t line up mechanically, so when you visually line them up the muzzle points a little to the right. Still, the groupings were tight and consistent, and I was pleasantly surprised.

Still, what made it a bitch to shoot right and well was the fact it was a 1 lb. gun with long heavy trigger press. The manufacturer states it has a 10 lb. trigger press! I went looking for Karl’s digital gauge but couldn’t find it, just an old spring one. The spring one’s scale topped at 8 lb. but it looked like the gauge could go to 10 lb. before it bottomed out. Well, it’s at least that then, because it wasn’t until it bottomed out that I could get the trigger to break. Could be the gauge had weak/old springs, so I don’t know how accurate it all was, but it’s reasonable to say it’s got a damn heavy trigger.

So consider that: a very tiny gun which is hard enough to get a good grip on, to have good “gun fit” and a proper trigger press. Then you have a pull weight that’s 10x the weight of the gun. Yeah, it’s going to be DAMN hard to shoot well.

Of course we tried some fast stuff, because this isn’t a bullseye gun. This is a personal defense gun that’s likely going to be shot from 0-5 yards, quickly, multiple rounds. On the one hand, the lack of proper sights can be ok there because at that distance and speed an index off the slide is reasonable. Dumping magazines as quick as we could landed just fine on a 18″x24″ steel plate at 10 yards. But that’s still not awesome. Certainly we had times when we’d shoot and not hear the DING of the steel — it’s very easy to get unacceptable hits with this gun. I didn’t take any cardboard out to see how it’d perform, but that wasn’t the point of the day. Still, once I get the new magazines and springs, I’ll give it a full run through (like doing the DPS-BUG class drills, maybe just running “3 Seconds or Less“). Again, this day was about seeing if the gun would just run.

All in all tho, I was pleasantly surprised with the gun. It performed better than I thought it would, and was much more enjoyable to shoot than I expected it to be. The fact ammo is rather expensive (it’s more than 9mm) hurts, so I don’t think I’ll be shooting it all that often. But still, I think it’s going to find a place.

What’s Next?

Next up is buying magazines and springs, then another round of testing. That testing will be just to see if the gun runs and how it runs with new springs, and I plan to do more structured shooting. Some simple “just does it work?” shooting. Some slow accuracy, and certainly some proper and appropriate drills on paper (e.g. “3 Seconds or Less” drill).

Buying magazines and parts, seems I have to go to the manufacturer, which is fine. I just hope they’re more responsive with the sales than they seem to be so far with customer service questions.

When it comes to ammo, the only loads I can find with the XTP bullet are Hornady’s own load and the Buffalo Bore. I expect the BB would hurt like hell. 😉  But it does document 943 fps out of a 2″ Seecamp barrel and 1080 out of a 3″, so maye 1000 out of the 2.5″ Guardian, which would be quite good. Other .32 ACP loads where I can find info on tend to be 1000-ish out of a 4″ barrel so…. I’m going to pick up at least 1 box of the BB to see how it goes. Otherwise for practice ammo, whatever is cheapest. I see MidwayUSA has Fiocchi 73 grain FMJ for $15.49, cheapest stuff available so…

Anyways, time to do a little shopping. 🙂

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13 thoughts on “NAA Guardian .32 ACP – first shots

  1. i’ve had very spotty luck with smaller guns which i much prefer over larger ones when i think i can get away with smaller. ayoob can take his ‘mouse gun’ and blow off his pinkie toe with it for all i care of his snide remarks.

    although not a small gun by modern standards, the walther ppk in .32 was an early example of a thin, easily concealed handgun and well thought of quality-wise. i picked up one at the local pawn shop (i detest pawn shops, but conversely i’ve gotten some of my best guns and deals in them over the years) and eagerly took it to the range but before i shot it i practiced the movie-favorite inside the belt carry with the barrel pointing down the left leg. i could see how this method of carry became so popular given the thinness of the walther–if you had a reasonably snug belt it was very hard to dislodge it and a short shirt would cover it nicely.

    anyway, i breathe, i digress. after one magazine it got sold off and the webbing between my thumb and index finger was chewed up beyond belief. so i guess the point is that sometimes you think you have the perfect carry gun until you find out you don’t.

    beretta made the tomcat model in .25 and .32 and those were real nice, but very thick and chunky and only held one round if i remember right.

    when sig came out with their tiny 1911 copy in .380 i jumped on it despite the 600+ nosebleed price. i love the 1911 interface with single action and a safety. but that gun was awful–it too got returned quickly.

    and i too wanted a khar for quite awhile due to the glowing reviews of their quality and smoothness and finally i got one in .40 caliber. what a horrible gun! there’s one tiny thin spring which, if you hold your mouth wrong when taking it down or re-assembling, will fall out of place and render your handgun unusable. i had to go to a gunshop where they told me this was a problem they dealt with on a weekly basis. that gun didn’t stay long either.

    i also had one of the first keltec .380s and hated it. so many people loved the company i tried their slightly larger 9mm and hated it to. i have a very low tolerance for weapons that fail in any respect, thus i’ve gone through quite a few over the years.

    long ago i thought i’d really scored when i found one of the first h&k squeeze-cockers (the p7psp) that were surplus german border guard issue being imported into the usa. the sample i got was virtually unused with only harness rub marks and it even had the original h&k target and the spent casing. i even got the bulky official border guard holster (closed flap) and the the original manual.

    when i went for my second chl class i was eager to shoot this legendary handgun, but i discovered after one mag that despite the heat shield below the barrel, the gas system of the psp generated a heat so intense you literally couldn’t grasp the gun after shooting one or two mags at a quick pace. what a pity! i loved that gun even though it was pretty worthless for anything but external holster carry as it weighed a ton. probably the safest weapon i’ve ever owned–you could throw it against a wall all day long without any results except denting the wall.

    /guy

    • Yup. This is about the size of it. Thanx for sharing; lots of good stuff there.

      I just prefer my full-sized guns. If I need something smaller, on the whole a M&P9c or M&P Shield has served well enough, and they perform quite well and I can shoot them quite well too. So there you go.

      But this? Man… I just couldn’t resist. 🙂

      • well, my current ratio of large vs small is way overbalanced on the large size. i have two smalls and four large now. but i think that may be the result of moving from dfw to a rural area more than personal preference.

        which reminded me of the move i made before this one, from a semi-rural area to dfw about 20 years ago. i sold off several of my large guns and two of those i regret letting go to this day as they just can’t be replaced.

        one was a 5-6″ barrel s&w 686 .357 which even shaky me on a rest at 25yds could put 5-6 shots into a one-inch hole using 158g wadcutters.

        the other was a browning hi-power (9mm) which fit me like a glove and just never failed or jammed. but back then i had no respect for 9mm–i’ve since changed my mind somewhat.

        ah! the ones that got away!

        /guy

  2. John, at first I had to see if this was April 1 when I saw this post…. 🙂

    Like Guy I’ve tried a few smaller handguns for ‘the lighter side of carry’. Last year I carried a CZ70 (also .32ACP), loosely looks like a Walther PP (or a baby CZ-52). Nice little gun. Slim, accurate and zero failures. Fits in a OWB leather holster just fine….

    This year I have the little Sig Guy mentions. The P238 (.380ACP). As of right now I am not convinced this is the carry gun for the ‘light’ days. Although like G I really dig the 1911-like controls.

    I can hold and shoot both guns well.

    In the past I’ve tried the Kel-Tec P11 (9MM Luger). That was a turd. Long gone baybee. Thankfully the holster I had for it fits the Sig very nicely…

    I had also previously carried a Hungarian Feg PA-63 (9MM Makarov) This is an improved clone of the Walther PP and is not part of the Makarov family.

    Of all of the above I’m doing more work with the Sig to either convince me it’s reliable enough to carry. If that fails I’m going back to the Feg. Frankly I’m tired of interviewing pocket pistols that suck.

    Of course I could always go full gonzo on ya’all and carry my Bernardelli VP in the awesome .25 ACP round! 😉

    Anyhow, John I am interested to see where your adventure with the little NAA leads.

    Peace, out!

    • Pocket pistols that suck… is that redundant? 😉

      I’m not expecting this NAA to be awesome; it does suck in many ways. But it’s kinda a fun diversion and thing to poke at… just because I can. Just one of those itches I’m finally getting around to scratching.

      All in all, I’ll take my full-sized M&P9 and be just happy with it.

  3. good info john–tks for posting! at one point i had one of the surplus makarovs and i still have ammo for it left over, but i can’t remember shooting it.

    the reasons i returned the sig were the takedown was difficult, but i’m old with weak hands and weak eyes–i just know that, unlike the action, was nowhere near the 1911 takedown. and the trigger was very very bad and hurt my finger to pull it even once. i even returned to the store where they had at least a dozen variations for sale (one nice thing with those guns is that you can get them in virtually any configuration you wish) and they let me try as many as i wanted and the trigger was just as bad in all of them. so i just left the gun with them as trade for something or other.

    but if my previous comment hadn’t gotten away with me, i was going to post a picture of my most recent acquisition, but i hadn’t decided whether i wanted to post it on one of your open carry threads or not.

    so here’s the background (i hear you sighing out there already!).

    ever since i got my chl about 8 years ago i’ve carried the same handgun, the s&w 5-shot, 10oz 357 revolver. and i still argue for it over an automatic in many situations and for many people. i have never felt the need to shoot it as i dislike unnecessary pain and i know it’ll go when called upon. it even has crimson trace lasergrips which are boresigted for about 5-7 yards. this thing is ultra light and works beautifully and doesn’t print in a front pocket sticky holster of my only-slightly-bagged shorts, no matter what you think of that method of carry.

    but two things have been nagging at me while carrying this gun. first, when i lived in dfw and was in my car way too much of my life i wanted to plan for a carjacking. there’s no way in hell you’re digging a gun out of your front pocket while driving and i didn’t like any of the solutions for holstering it elsewhere–not least my fading memory and for sure i’d leave it behind like one of those mothers who forgets her toddler. i thought about getting one of those judge revolvers (.410/45lc) and just dedicating it to car use as i think the .410 is about the ideal cqb car defender. but i finally got to look at one and the damm thing is huge! and heavy! and doesn’t feel very solid or have good quality fittings. and pretty expensive on top of that. so i passed.

    since then i’ve moved out to a rural west texas area and quickly found myself with the need of a pocket gun which i could use to not only defend the threshold, but deter varmints like rabid skunks and raccoons. and snakes of course–this is snaky country.

    i could have tried to adapt my 38/357 to this use, but the only option would be to use the .38 shotshells to be safe and to make sure i didn’t kill the accidental dog or two.

    then about 2 weeks ago i ran across a gun i’d wanted a long time ago and forgot about. bond arms is in granbury texas not far from me and they turn out the ultimate derringers.

    http://bondarms.com/

    to my delight i discovered they made many of them that would use the .410/45acp loads the judge does. one of their plusses is that any of their barrels (which come in well over a dozen calibers and a half-dozen lengths) will fit any of their frames, so you can customize one to your exact liking.

    being a hardcore texan (despite all the drawbacks–i’m well aware!) i wanted the texas defender model. but that one only had a 3″ barrel which means that shooting the 3″ .410s were out and i hate to forfeit an option. so i got the most popular of their models, the snake slayer, with a 3.5″ barrel. as it turns out, just as with the barrels, this frame can be converted to the texas defender model with a simple grip change. these derringers are pretty pricey, but still $150-250 below the cost of a judge.

    i also got what they call a ‘driving holster’ which holds the gun horizontally on your left (or ‘off’) side for a crossdraw while sitting in your car. this was a revelation to me and would now be my choice for external carry for any gun. i’m not sure if this holster has a ‘level’ of retention, but it has a trigger guard (as does the frame of the derringer–i wouldn’t have one of the open trigger models) and a hammer retaining strap. and given the way it’s carried, it would be hard for anyone to take it from you nor is it coming out accidentally.

    the ammo choices are staggering for this little gun. at least 2-3 ammo vendors make ‘kits’ specifically for this model with some combination of .410 and 45lc shells. winchester makes what i think is the best self-defense option with a 3″ (magnum) .410 with 4 disks (each larger than a .380 bullet) and 12 bb’s. so if you’re comparing to a pocket automatic, you have the equivalent of an 8 round .380 clip by using both barrels and i’ll bet you could get off those two shots in 1/4 the time it’d take someone with a small auto with a rough trigger to empty his clip. and the bb’s are just icing on the cake!

    so now i have a car defence gun i can truly trust and even love. i hate driving around an unfamiliar or large city at night and not having the ‘intel’ to know what areas to avoid and distracted trying to find something.

    and a potent cqb weapon as well. i doubt anyone is going to stand up to a 3″ .410 self-defence round 2x.

    as for the varmints and pests, i found shotshells for the 45lc with #9 or #11 shot which should be mild enough not to injure anything at any range beyond about 6-10′. and for a little more oomph or to kill rats or snakes you can simply use 2-1/2″ .410 field rounds of #9 shot.

    now, these things aren’t light (they are more than twice as heavy as my titanium smith) and i doubt i’d want to carry it in a front pocket. which brings me to why i was going to post in the open carry thread instead of here …

    … as you know, i don’t like the idea of open carry and said that i’d have to hunt hard for an occasion i’d want to open carry. but in the car is one such use and i would indeed carry this new gun when driving although i think i would put it in my front or rear pocket for brief stays outside the car.

    here’s a picture, but it doesn’t have the mesquite texas defender grips on it yet (coming this week) and not shown is a belt ammo holder for 4 rounds of .410/45.

    IMG_1125

    also, during august they had a promotion for a half-price barrel if you bought a gun and i took advantage of that too. i’d have liked to have a .22 mag barrel, but those are so popular it wasn’t included in the promotion. so since i have so much .38/357 ammo i opted for a 2.5″ barrel in those calibers. and the shotshells are available in .38 as well which gives another step-down option in lethality and a plinking with cheap ammo capability. btw, the barrel on my smith is 1.7″, so i wouldn’t say a 2.5″ barrel is useless.

    sorry for the length (i lied, i’m always this long-winded and seldom sorry!), but any comments and/or suggestions from folks who are already going this route or plan to would be more than welcome.

    /guy

    • Funny you mention Bond Arms. That’s another gun that I’ve had an itch to get. I don’t think they’re all that ideal because it’s only 2 rounds, and the general size of them tends to compare out to many other guns with more capacity and more capability. So…. why? Well, I think the only reason I want one is that I’ve seen some with just beautiful engraving and scrollwork done on them, and I think if I got one it’d be purely as an “art” piece.

      Oh on the car front? Always remember… step on the gas. There’s a lot more power in a car (even a Prius, Smart, or Fiat) than any gun. 🙂

  4. remember though that’s it’s not just two ’rounds’ if you count each chunk of lead as a ’round’. the winchester pdx has a 2.5″ and a 3.0″ version with the 2.5″ having 3x.410 ‘disks’ and the 3.0″ having 4 disks. and each disk larger (not sure if heavier) than a .380 bullet:

    and there’s two barrels. if you have 4 rounds in reserve you have the equivalent of 3x.380 clips although i’ll freely admit that, without a lot of practice, the reloads are going to be slower!

    as to the car front, if you remember back, the very first chl holder to get cited for a gun incident was a guy stuck in traffic in dallas when a huge samoan with a baseball bat took exception to his driving or his face or who knows and was beating or attempting to beat him bloody. he had nowhere to go and that’s the deal with being strapped into a car in a large city–nearly always there’s no way to retreat without driving over someone–driver or pedestrian.

    here’s a video bond arms did of ammo types for their guns although it also doesn’t yet include the 3.0″ win pdx .410 shell. i notice there’s one there with 5x large buck or chunks.

    /guy

    • It’s still just 2 shots… and the ballistics aren’t very good: http://www.410handguns.com/410_gel_results.html

      And even with a lot of practice, the reloads are going to be slower. Even Jerry Miculek can’t reload a revolver as fast as he can reload a semi-auto (tho with moon clips he’s pretty darn close). New York reload, maybe. 🙂

      Video didn’t link.

  5. i most heartily endorse gteague’s favorable review of the bond arms derringers. i have several. yes, ba derringers are expensive, 2 shot and heavy, but they are potent, utterly reliable and flexible. please dont discount them. i suggest extended rubber grips for any “4” caliber, and handgun specific 410 & hornady 185gr defense 45lc ammo. i also suggest getting 9mm or 357/38 barrels for cheaper, softer range time and manual of arms practice (but use 38 only, 357 hurts). if you buy used get the new generation with indented trigger and wider hammer.

    • tks jstert! i did indeed get a 2.5″ bbl in .38/357 and plan to shoot mostly .38 shotshells for pest control in that barrel. but i have so much ammo in that caliber i could ‘plink’ with it too.

      now i want the backup model with the rubber grips and the matte finish frame in 45acp as i have plenty of that ammo and this is reported to be a ‘soft shooting’ pleasant load. and, since my .38/357 bbl is in that matte finish, i could use that bbl on it without destroying the ‘aesthetic’.

      btw, i posted this picture on the bond arms fb page and it’s the closest i’ve had to something i’ve posted going viral! it’s had dozens of shares and likes.

      IMG_1138

      tks, /guy

  6. While I’m not a Derringer fan, well, I have to say that rig you have there is damn fine looking. The holster and ammo carrier are super sweet looking.

    To circle back to my earlier comments I have given up on the Sig P238. I cannot trust it. Period. It’s too picky about ammo.

    I may regret this but in it’s place I am trying a Taurus PT709 Slim in 9MM Luger. It was sitting in a pawn shop just begging for a new home… And the shop owner gave me what I think was a decent deal on it. Searches on the Intartubes reveal many positive reviews on the Taurus.

    I suspect part of my distrust of the little Sig is the round. 380ACP. A real manstopper… If you are shooting dwarfs perhaps…. I really wanted at least 9MM for my ‘lighter side of carry’ gun.

    Anyhow, waiting on John to give us more impressions of his AMT.

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