I’ve been looking to improve the carry options for my snub nose revolver.
Pocket holsters are certainly good, but have limits, such as the pocket itself (positioning, drawing, etc.). The Werner Carry system is good, but just wasn’t working for me. However, the Werner system had me carrying at the 2 o’clock position — appendix carry. So why not look further into that. The issue there with the Werner system was that if I made it comfortable to wear it was difficult to draw; if I made it good for draw, it was uncomfortable to wear (and not just a discomfort, but digging into major femoral nerves). So why not try a proper appendix holster?
Appendix carry is gaining popularity, especially amongst trainers like Gabe Suarez and Todd Louis Green. I also recall that with SouthNarc’s ECQC, they find drawing snubs from appendix to work out best. So let’s give it a shot. I like Comp-Tac so much, let’s try out their Two O’Clock holster, made just for this purpose.
Initial impressions
Wow. Looks like a lot of Kydex for such a small gun, but it’s really not much more than the gun itself. Let’s see how it looks inserted:
Not really all that bad. Let’s put it into the pants to see how it rides:
Gosh, that rides really high, or at least, it feels that way. But once you work with it a bit you realize this is good. It’s high enough that you can get a good grip for the draw and also keeps the muzzle from digging into your thigh so you can sit with this. You’ll notice I’m not wearing it at true 2 o’clock position. That’s due in part to the primary gun that I’m wearing at about 3 o’clock, but also the belt-loop on the pants (Tru-Spec 24/7 shorts). But I actually like it a little more up front like that in terms of accessibility. I did some dry fire draw practice and it goes pretty well. I am a little mixed on the sweat shield… there’s some, but I wish a bit more, but if there was more it might interfere with your thumb on the draw.
Holster completely covers the trigger.
I got the J-hook clip because I figured if I had to tuck this in I’d like things to be as unobtrusive as possible, especially given it’s facing front. Seems to work well enough. Yes it’s not as stable as full clips, but between the clip and just pressure from being IWB, it holds well enough.
Bending over? Forget it. 🙂 If you weren’t in the habit of squatting to pick things up, you’ll have to get into that habit.
Sitting isn’t bad.
So, those are my initial impressions. I actually wrote the above when I first got the holster. I’ve had the holster about a week now.
Further Impressions
So now that I’ve used the holster a bit, here’s what I think.
Ouch. 😦
It’s not comfortable for me to wear for more than a few hours. The main problem is the gun and holster end up angling slightly outward at the top (i.e. butt of the gun angles away from my body) which then pushes the muzzle end of the gun/holster into my body… think around the bladder area. It’s not pressing on my bladder and giving me discomfort in that way, but rather that it’s just pushing into that soft area of the body and doing so constantly. After a while it just gets painful… I remove the holster and touch that area of my body and it’s tender, no visible bruising but it feels that way.
So this holster just isn’t working out for me. I cannot say if it’s indicative of AIWB in general or this holster or my body or how my body and this holster combine. For now I’m going to say it’s a matter of me.
I will say I like the access the holster gives. It’s right there, it’s fast. Yes, I was wearing it closer to say a 12:30 position than a 2:00, and that’s an interesting thing to consider. First, I couldn’t wear it at true 2 because of logistics. But at true 2 the gun and holster didn’t wrap into my body as much and thus the butt-end sticks out and makes printing rather obvious as well as bumping into my right arm. Moving it more towards my centerline keeps everything pressed up against my body and printing is reduced tho not eliminated. If the holster was located more towards the center but I canted the holster with the grip slightly towards my right arm, that actually made things even more comfortable for sitting plus made the gun more accessable on the draw, but at the cost of risking more printing due to the gun butt not being totally against the curve of the torso. I’m curious to try out a standard-clip because I know the canting was allowed due to using the J-hook… curious which I’d like better, perhaps the J-hook.
In the car, a thing of beauty. I’d say only cross draw or maybe a shoulder holster would be more accessible.
To be continued…
I think the Comp-Tac 2 o’clock holster is a fine and quality holster, like all of Comp-Tac’s products. At this point I’m going to chalk things up to “it doesn’t work for me“. I contemplated returning the holster, but I don’t want to. I’ll keep it and see how things go. I’m going to continue searching for a holster that could work. I’m really liking what AIWB offers.
One guy suggested to me to use a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. I actually use that very one for my pocket carry. He said to use that, slip it inside your waistband, the friction would hold it there. I was skeptical but tried it. I don’t like it. Sure it holds it and holds it better than no holster at all, but it shifts around, the holster can come out with the gun on the draw… it’s just not ideal, but an interesting option.
I read some people using a Bianchi 100. I may be able to find one in town and if so I’ll try it. I’m wanting to try something leather and not Kydex, to see about “give” and the pressure on my body.
If you have suggestions of other AIWB holsters, especially leather ones or ones that could alleviate the problems I encountered, please comment!



Hawaiian Shirt, Tactical Pants.
Classy. :)-~
Seriously.. that didn’t even occur to me. I wore Hawaiian shirts long before I ever carried a gun.
but now that you point it out… yes, how cliché of me. 🙂
Abs could use some work too. 🙂
*sigh* Please don’t remind me.
I want to go on record as being opposed to AIWB carry, IWB hip carry (and OWB hip carry as well) already violates rule 3 when you do it. But, at least your muzzle is pointing at something that is fleshy and while it would hurt, would probably not be the end of the world, should you have an ND and shoot yourself.
Conversely, AIWB takes that big honkin’ rule 3 violation and puts it up front, where you can cause serious injury to yourself. Loss of personal items that one probably would like to keep intact, the other real threat is the femoral artery. I would simply prefer my gun to not point while holstered, at some place where death could occur in less than one minute should I be shot there.
That’s just my opinion, but I want it pointed out, because I don’t think enough people are saying it.
-Rob
Don’t think these things haven’t occurred to me. Come on…. I’m male. The thought of blowing away the old twig and berries has crossed my mind!
Yes, the notion of putting one in my femoral artery doesn’t thrill me. I’ve given this a lot of thought and am willing to give things a try. If you set that aspect aside, there’s a great deal about appendix carry that is good and arguably superior to other means and mode of carry. Especially given the fact that I don’t view “draw my gun” as the answer to everything. I consider that hand-to-hand may occur. Maybe it’s the ECQC stuff from SouthNarc along with my own martial arts study that’s influenced me here, but the reality is that appendix is about the best location for getting to things be it a gun or a knife (think Shivworks’ Clinch Pick) when you’re in a FUT. And the draw is just wicked fast in other cases too.
And put it this way… we always say there’s no rush in getting the gun back into the holster. No one will be more interested in a safe reholster than I will be. 🙂
No means of carry is perfect and without downside. It’s not right for everyone, but I’m exploring the options.
Personally, I’m not worried about you Hsoi. I’m more concerned about the general lack of care that has been used in recommending AIWB to people for carry. There are a lot of folks out there, packing heat, who don’t practice, don’t train, and don’t get educated. For a while now, people have been unabashedly recommending AIWB carry and I think it’s with some blatant disregard for the reality of concealed carry for most people.
Most people don’t realize or ever think about the thought that if they muff a draw/reholster they can kill themselves with one in the leg. Many instructors (there are also many responsible instructors who don’t do this) simply suggest it is a carry method, without pointing out the extra inherent dangers of the carry method.
I do think AIWB is a good method to use for some people and those that train with it, do like it a lot and I think whatever works as long as it works. It doesn’t work well for me, because my spare tire in the front makes the muzzle dig heavily into my groin area, but that’s a personal issue.
-Rob
What I can say that’s good about instructors and AIWB is those that like it and use it are talking straight about it. For instance, Todd Green:
http://pistol-training.com/archives/2998
Violating Rule #3 (“Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you’re on target and ready to shoot”)? Not sure how any holster would violate any of the Firearms Safety Rules. Rule #2 (“Don’t point your weapon at anything you don’t want to destroy”), perhaps, but no one is really pointing a handgun while it’s within a holster that is strapped onto a belt.
IMO, a proper holster with a covered triggerguard is the safest place for any handgun to be. Ever heard of a handgun discharging in a holster without user error (like a shooter indexing his finger on the trigger during reholstering or a shooter failing to decock their weapon before reholstering)?
Some folks take the literal meanings of each safety rule a little too far. If using an AIWB or IWB holster makes you queesy, fine, but don’t cite a firearms safety rule to support your opinion because that’s not the intent of Rule #2.
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Maybe it’s my overhanging belly, but I find I can carry a K-Frame easily IWB at 2:00 without printing.
That’s the thing with most all IWB-carry, but especially AIWB… it’s very uh… belly-sensitive. Seems your situation provides advantage! That’s good. 🙂
Your handgun may not print through clothing, but it might leave a print on your belly! 🙂
i think this Two O’Clock holster is really good stuff.. i want to buy for my pistol